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<blockquote data-quote="Buffet Master" data-source="post: 5063269" data-attributes="member: 86736"><p>If, and it's a huge if, something breaks through that trailer and causes an accident resulting in injury or death and there was nothing inside that trailer for load retainment, corporate legal will park a bus on your back so fast you won't know what hit you. They will not say that they told you you are exempt. No prosecutor in the world will look at the specific language of that regulation and say it is anything other than black and white. That is the part going over your head in this. </p><p></p><p>You want to mock my experience, that's fine dude. I started driving officially with a CDL in 92. I've worked under the original HOS. I worked under the original iteration of this new HOS that was different than the current one. 15 years for you? So the 2 changes you have seen are mandatory ELD, the 30 minute break and the addition of this topic, cargo securement. Do you know what the main crux of the cargo securement was? </p><p></p><p>You aren't going to believe me, so ask guys that pulled flatbed and hauled steel. Flatbed has very specific rules on securement pertaining to lbs ratings on straps and chains and the minimum needed to secure a load. Tell me, when a van loads a #45k coil, how is that secured vs a flatbed deck? General freight was not the main issue covered in this rule. How often have you seen regular freight break through a van that wasn't a layover? Whereas you can Google or whatever and find instances of coils, rebar, greasy bar and sheet steel breaking through a van under braking occurances and load shifts.</p><p></p><p>It's rare for general freight, especially floor load wall to wall stuff to break the trailer integrity short of a layover. But the absolute fact is, you are the last person to take control of that load when it's on your back. You are solely responsible. Again the intent of this new regulation was geared towards something quite specific, but the language covers a broad spectrum. And if, and I wish nothing of the sort happens to you or anyone, things go sideways and a one in a million accident occurs involving something coming out of your trailer that causes grievous harm or death and you had zero load securement, you are going to be an island unto yourself in that courtroom. UPS is not going to help you, they will separate themselves a thousand miles from you because you took it upon yourself to drive a load, which by definition was not secured. You don't want to believe a thing I say? That's fine man, but think on that and research fatality accidents involving trucks and see for yourself how much a company stands behind their driver.</p><p></p><p>The one thing that I and anyone else with significant time outside of UPS know, is that you and you alone are the sole operator of that equipment. The name on the truck and the title means nothing the second you cross off of company property. If you deem something unsafe or against regulation, you have the final say on it. I would have zero problem or worries standing in front of a panel on that principle.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Buffet Master, post: 5063269, member: 86736"] If, and it's a huge if, something breaks through that trailer and causes an accident resulting in injury or death and there was nothing inside that trailer for load retainment, corporate legal will park a bus on your back so fast you won't know what hit you. They will not say that they told you you are exempt. No prosecutor in the world will look at the specific language of that regulation and say it is anything other than black and white. That is the part going over your head in this. You want to mock my experience, that's fine dude. I started driving officially with a CDL in 92. I've worked under the original HOS. I worked under the original iteration of this new HOS that was different than the current one. 15 years for you? So the 2 changes you have seen are mandatory ELD, the 30 minute break and the addition of this topic, cargo securement. Do you know what the main crux of the cargo securement was? You aren't going to believe me, so ask guys that pulled flatbed and hauled steel. Flatbed has very specific rules on securement pertaining to lbs ratings on straps and chains and the minimum needed to secure a load. Tell me, when a van loads a #45k coil, how is that secured vs a flatbed deck? General freight was not the main issue covered in this rule. How often have you seen regular freight break through a van that wasn't a layover? Whereas you can Google or whatever and find instances of coils, rebar, greasy bar and sheet steel breaking through a van under braking occurances and load shifts. It's rare for general freight, especially floor load wall to wall stuff to break the trailer integrity short of a layover. But the absolute fact is, you are the last person to take control of that load when it's on your back. You are solely responsible. Again the intent of this new regulation was geared towards something quite specific, but the language covers a broad spectrum. And if, and I wish nothing of the sort happens to you or anyone, things go sideways and a one in a million accident occurs involving something coming out of your trailer that causes grievous harm or death and you had zero load securement, you are going to be an island unto yourself in that courtroom. UPS is not going to help you, they will separate themselves a thousand miles from you because you took it upon yourself to drive a load, which by definition was not secured. You don't want to believe a thing I say? That's fine man, but think on that and research fatality accidents involving trucks and see for yourself how much a company stands behind their driver. The one thing that I and anyone else with significant time outside of UPS know, is that you and you alone are the sole operator of that equipment. The name on the truck and the title means nothing the second you cross off of company property. If you deem something unsafe or against regulation, you have the final say on it. I would have zero problem or worries standing in front of a panel on that principle. [/QUOTE]
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