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<blockquote data-quote="BrownArmy" data-source="post: 4084051" data-attributes="member: 18225">Here’s where our conversation has and will always breakdown.You’re making assumptions about the fabric of our universe.No one, as far as I can tell, is proposing that ‘something came from nothing’.The entire design argument is a trope for people that assume if something is complicated, it must have been designed by a designer.It’s far from clear that that’s evident.If you study biology in a deep fashion, it becomes clear that evolution is the mechanism that got us where we are today.Nature utilizes functional pathways that are advantageous...the same systems that work in the human body also work in ants, rabbits, plants, etc...evolution keeps the things that work. The things that don’t work don’t stay around.&nbsp; There’s no conscious design there, it’s just a program set loose to try different outcomes.You assume that someone or something must have created that, and that there must be a ‘designer’.Maybe.&nbsp; Maybe not.If you believe there must be a designer, that’s not a fact, that’s your opinion.Science, as far as I can tell, has made no assertions about the ‘beginning’.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BrownArmy, post: 4084051, member: 18225"] Here’s where our conversation has and will always breakdown. You’re making assumptions about the fabric of our universe. No one, as far as I can tell, is proposing that ‘something came from nothing’. The entire design argument is a trope for people that assume if something is complicated, it must have been designed by a designer. It’s far from clear that that’s evident. If you study biology in a deep fashion, it becomes clear that evolution is the mechanism that got us where we are today. Nature utilizes functional pathways that are advantageous...the same systems that work in the human body also work in ants, rabbits, plants, etc...evolution keeps the things that work. The things that don’t work don’t stay around. There’s no conscious design there, it’s just a program set loose to try different outcomes. You assume that someone or something must have created that, and that there must be a ‘designer’. Maybe. Maybe not. If you believe there must be a designer, that’s not a fact, that’s your opinion. Science, as far as I can tell, has made no assertions about the ‘beginning’. [/QUOTE]

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