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<blockquote data-quote="drenched" data-source="post: 5486689" data-attributes="member: 23781">I&#039;m sorry there&#039;s been insults toward you. I try to debate ideas and not make anything personal...You quoted me but didn&#039;t really address what I said....Instead you took the conversation in a different direction bringing up totally different but real problems...In general I believe we need to be careful not to impose solutions that are worse than the very real problem we are trying to solve...I am all for sustainability and simpler living...but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s right to be blaming UPS for distributing our throw away culture any more than we should blame well stocked grocery stores and productive farms for so many people&#039;s obesity... Nor would I want the government to impose food rations on all of us to fight this real obesity problem...or have to ask a government official for permission to buy a shirt because way too many people have far more clothes than they need or even wear...Instead this is where personal responsibility and good decision making needs to come in...We can&#039;t come up with a solution for all the world&#039;s problems in this one bc thread but I am really glad you care about sustainability and by my writing here i see that environmental worries are a bigger part of why I&#039;m not for a.c. than I had realized before...Since we both care about our environmental impact I would like to invite you to join the other side and instead of pushing for a.c. let&#039;s instead push for other more sustainable things like just better ventilation in the cargo area or the coolest possible uniform design</blockquote>

[QUOTE="drenched, post: 5486689, member: 23781"] I'm sorry there's been insults toward you. I try to debate ideas and not make anything personal... You quoted me but didn't really address what I said....Instead you took the conversation in a different direction bringing up totally different but real problems... In general I believe we need to be careful not to impose solutions that are worse than the very real problem we are trying to solve... I am all for sustainability and simpler living...but I don't think it's right to be blaming UPS for distributing our throw away culture any more than we should blame well stocked grocery stores and productive farms for so many people's obesity... Nor would I want the government to impose food rations on all of us to fight this real obesity problem...or have to ask a government official for permission to buy a shirt because way too many people have far more clothes than they need or even wear...Instead this is where personal responsibility and good decision making needs to come in... We can't come up with a solution for all the world's problems in this one bc thread but I am really glad you care about sustainability and by my writing here i see that environmental worries are a bigger part of why I'm not for a.c. than I had realized before... Since we both care about our environmental impact I would like to invite you to join the other side and instead of pushing for a.c. let's instead push for other more sustainable things like just better ventilation in the cargo area or the coolest possible uniform design [/QUOTE]

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