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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 723594" data-attributes="member: 2189">I can appreciate the situation the folks along the border contend with and the frustration that comes with it. What I think we all lose sight of is the fact that both the Mexican and US govt&#039;s have screwed things up and the average folk on bothsides of the border suffer as a result when all most of us want to do is live our lives and raise our families by the best means we can. I was reading about NAFTA and the supposed jobs to be created in Mexico with one idea that it would stem illegal immigration. What ended up happening was those &quot;promised&quot; jobs eneded up in Asia, specifically China and some of that was trade offs on the diplomatic front that I think if you followed had more to do with them buying our debt. That&#039;s my opinion anyway.&nbsp;I&#039;m not anti-China (fact is I wanna go there and visit) or anti-Asia but if I was gonna use diplomacy on an economic scale to shift jobs (another means of wealth re-distribution via gov&#039;t intervention IMO) I&#039;d try and keep the jobs at least next door and for a variety of reasons too. There&#039;s a movie out called Food Inc. which you can watch for free on the Net. What you think of the whole movie is up to you but watch the part where it talks about the illegal immigrate workers. And then watch another net freebie &quot;The World According to Monsanto&quot; and see what&#039;s happening again with the small Mexican farmer. If we run them off their land in the name of the mighty dollar, we in effect kill their independent businesses, with no other employment options, where would you go in search of work?&nbsp;Not every illegal immigrate is a murderous, drug dealer so let&#039;s step back and start looking at the whole picture and at root causes and then see what picture starts to develop. Have we ever thought about how <a href="http://www.mindfully.org/WTO/Subsidies-Hurt-Poor-Akande19oct02.htm" target="_blank">US Corporate welfare </a>via our tax dollars we pay harm farmers in developing countries? And let&#039;s not even mention this is as much wealth redistribution as any welfare program you&#039;ll ever see.&nbsp;And isn&#039;t this contary to the idea of free markets? How can we expect 3rd worlds to reject socialism and adopt Free(d) Markets when we don&#039;t do likewise? Are we not the hypocrits now?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 723594, member: 2189"] I can appreciate the situation the folks along the border contend with and the frustration that comes with it. What I think we all lose sight of is the fact that both the Mexican and US govt's have screwed things up and the average folk on bothsides of the border suffer as a result when all most of us want to do is live our lives and raise our families by the best means we can. I was reading about NAFTA and the supposed jobs to be created in Mexico with one idea that it would stem illegal immigration. What ended up happening was those "promised" jobs eneded up in Asia, specifically China and some of that was trade offs on the diplomatic front that I think if you followed had more to do with them buying our debt. That's my opinion anyway. I'm not anti-China (fact is I wanna go there and visit) or anti-Asia but if I was gonna use diplomacy on an economic scale to shift jobs (another means of wealth re-distribution via gov't intervention IMO) I'd try and keep the jobs at least next door and for a variety of reasons too. There's a movie out called Food Inc. which you can watch for free on the Net. What you think of the whole movie is up to you but watch the part where it talks about the illegal immigrate workers. And then watch another net freebie "The World According to Monsanto" and see what's happening again with the small Mexican farmer. If we run them off their land in the name of the mighty dollar, we in effect kill their independent businesses, with no other employment options, where would you go in search of work? Not every illegal immigrate is a murderous, drug dealer so let's step back and start looking at the whole picture and at root causes and then see what picture starts to develop. Have we ever thought about how [URL="http://www.mindfully.org/WTO/Subsidies-Hurt-Poor-Akande19oct02.htm"][COLOR=red]US Corporate welfare[/COLOR] [/URL]via our tax dollars we pay harm farmers in developing countries? And let's not even mention this is as much wealth redistribution as any welfare program you'll ever see. And isn't this contary to the idea of free markets? How can we expect 3rd worlds to reject socialism and adopt Free(d) Markets when we don't do likewise? Are we not the hypocrits now? [/QUOTE]

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