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<blockquote data-quote="KingofBrown" data-source="post: 752290" data-attributes="member: 28771"><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: black"><strong>Alright, Cowboy, since you didn’t give any official resources, I’ll give you facts. The name of this guy Mr. Teacher from the video is Ron Gochez. Some claim he’s a teacher from UCLA; others claim he’s a high school teacher. The ones who claim he’s a high school teacher are right. If I’m not wrong he’s a </strong><strong>Santee</strong><strong>High School</strong><strong> teacher. By his own words on the video he says he’s a militant of “Union del Barrio,” which is translated to something like “The Ghetto United” or “The Ghetto’s </strong><strong>Union</strong><strong>” or “The </strong><strong>Union</strong></span><strong><span style="color: black"> of the Ghetto.” To me it sounds like a gang, but if it’s an organization, it’s not that credible, if their views are like the ones this guy stated on this video. At the beginning of the video it says “Rally at UCLA, in Defense of La Raza!!!!” Now, Cowboy, not even the video states that this is supported by NCLR, just because it says “La Raza” that doesn’t make it NCLR to have the same views as this guy. The term “La Raza” is not a racist remark. If you investigate further and google it or ask any Hispanic friends, if you have any, they’ll explain that to you. Here’s a link from Wikipedia so you can read more about it:</span> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbus_Day" target="_blank"><span style="color: #800080">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbus_Day</span></a></strong></span></span></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: black">If you can understand what’s in there, and if you got any Hispanic friends who can explain it to you, you’ll see that this is not as a segregated “race” word, as it seems you think. It’s not like saying “The Whites” or “The Blacks” or “The Browns” which would be racial remarks. May be Ron Gochez, gangs, and you, had misused the term “La Raza.” But, don’t think that the National Council of La Raza is a racist organization because it cites the terms “La Raza.” As a Spanish speaker, I can tell you that “La Raza” is mostly used as “The People,” any people. It doesn’t reference any particular group of race. When Ron Gochez said “Viva La Raza” at the end of the video, he never cited NCLR. He would be translated as saying: “Long Live the People.” Now, if you’re taking it from this guy, anyone would know that he’s just citing his supporters. If you’re taking it from a gang, anyone would know that the gang is citing its members. If NCLR says “Viva La Raza” they’re saying “Long Live the People.” And as I have read, NCLR is a well established organization, so anyone would know that they’re citing The People, any people. I won’t say all the people, because I don’t think they would be citing Rusell Pearce or Tom Tancredo or Anna Gaines. The term “La Raza” is not a matter of color, race or preference.</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: black">Now, I hope it’s clear for you to understand the term “La Raza.” With these factual resources I gave you, now, I’ll ask you once again to give factual sources of the involvement of Ron Gochez in NCLR. And to give factual resources to say NCLR is like FAIR, or a hate group.</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: black">On the other hand, Texan, I see Mr. Gochez to be more on your side. He’s more against the Feds than the Minutemen. Yes, than the minute man, the ones who confuse wild pigs with illegal immigrants. So I think that teacher is more to your side against the current Federal government. Heck I think he’d join you and your buddies on your battle against Obama.</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: black">By the way, we’re giving more debate to this teacher than to Rusell Pearce, Arpaio, and Kris Kobach, who really have some direct relationship with SB1070. And that history teacher, I think, hasn’t even read the law. Now, I gave you my opinion about this guy Gochez, what do you think of Rusell Pearce, a top political official, and his involvement with Nazi groups? I guess, nothing, as you said, you don’t give a shoot as to whom wrote the law.</span></span></span></strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KingofBrown, post: 752290, member: 28771"] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][B]Alright, Cowboy, since you didn’t give any official resources, I’ll give you facts. The name of this guy Mr. Teacher from the video is Ron Gochez. Some claim he’s a teacher from UCLA; others claim he’s a high school teacher. The ones who claim he’s a high school teacher are right. If I’m not wrong he’s a [/B][B]Santee[/B][B]High School[/B][B] teacher. By his own words on the video he says he’s a militant of “Union del Barrio,” which is translated to something like “The Ghetto United” or “The Ghetto’s [/B][B]Union[/B][B]” or “The [/B][B]Union[/B][/COLOR][B][COLOR=black] of the Ghetto.” To me it sounds like a gang, but if it’s an organization, it’s not that credible, if their views are like the ones this guy stated on this video. At the beginning of the video it says “Rally at UCLA, in Defense of La Raza!!!!” Now, Cowboy, not even the video states that this is supported by NCLR, just because it says “La Raza” that doesn’t make it NCLR to have the same views as this guy. The term “La Raza” is not a racist remark. If you investigate further and google it or ask any Hispanic friends, if you have any, they’ll explain that to you. Here’s a link from Wikipedia so you can read more about it:[/COLOR] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbus_Day"][COLOR=#800080]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbus_Day[/COLOR][/URL][/B][/FONT][/SIZE] [B][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][/B] [B][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black]If you can understand what’s in there, and if you got any Hispanic friends who can explain it to you, you’ll see that this is not as a segregated “race” word, as it seems you think. It’s not like saying “The Whites” or “The Blacks” or “The Browns” which would be racial remarks. May be Ron Gochez, gangs, and you, had misused the term “La Raza.” But, don’t think that the National Council of La Raza is a racist organization because it cites the terms “La Raza.” As a Spanish speaker, I can tell you that “La Raza” is mostly used as “The People,” any people. It doesn’t reference any particular group of race. When Ron Gochez said “Viva La Raza” at the end of the video, he never cited NCLR. He would be translated as saying: “Long Live the People.” Now, if you’re taking it from this guy, anyone would know that he’s just citing his supporters. If you’re taking it from a gang, anyone would know that the gang is citing its members. If NCLR says “Viva La Raza” they’re saying “Long Live the People.” And as I have read, NCLR is a well established organization, so anyone would know that they’re citing The People, any people. I won’t say all the people, because I don’t think they would be citing Rusell Pearce or Tom Tancredo or Anna Gaines. The term “La Raza” is not a matter of color, race or preference.[/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][/B] [B][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][/B] [B][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black]Now, I hope it’s clear for you to understand the term “La Raza.” With these factual resources I gave you, now, I’ll ask you once again to give factual sources of the involvement of Ron Gochez in NCLR. And to give factual resources to say NCLR is like FAIR, or a hate group.[/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][/B] [B][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][/B] [B][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black]On the other hand, Texan, I see Mr. Gochez to be more on your side. He’s more against the Feds than the Minutemen. Yes, than the minute man, the ones who confuse wild pigs with illegal immigrants. So I think that teacher is more to your side against the current Federal government. Heck I think he’d join you and your buddies on your battle against Obama.[/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][/B] [B][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][/B] [B][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black]By the way, we’re giving more debate to this teacher than to Rusell Pearce, Arpaio, and Kris Kobach, who really have some direct relationship with SB1070. And that history teacher, I think, hasn’t even read the law. Now, I gave you my opinion about this guy Gochez, what do you think of Rusell Pearce, a top political official, and his involvement with Nazi groups? I guess, nothing, as you said, you don’t give a shoot as to whom wrote the law.[/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][/B] [/QUOTE]
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