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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KingofBrown" data-source="post: 755664" data-attributes="member: 28771">Here I was simply asking what rights had been lost, as you had implied above.And then Super Cowboy came to the rescue with this post and which I answered:Depending on what state felons are convicted in, they may well loose the right to vote.-The Cowboy So? Is the Right to Vote all the rights "We The People" have?-The KingIMO, Illegal aliens, regardless of their home/native country should be considered a felon.-The Cowboy Well, it's just your opinion. But it's nice that you placed the "regardless of their home/native country," however still to radical for me, IMO-The King I said that Felons do not lose all their rights. And you said with all your knowledge, that they lose their right to vote. And I asked you is the right to vote ALL the rights we got? Oh, and you also think that Illegal Aliens should be considered Felons. Well, Texan, one thing is what you think, and another is what exists. Stop comparing Illegal Aliens to Felons, until they are considered otherwise. Just an advice from my part.  The Bill of Rights are to protect a person's RIGHTS. Oh, no Texan. The Bill of Rights are not to protect a person’s RIGHTS. No no, that’s a misunderstood and generalize remark. The Bill of Rights are that: RIGHTS! The most important Rights of our Constitution.When you say that the 5th Amendment answers the question, you are saying it is protecting a right. By invoking the 5th you are suggesting a right has been violated, denied, lost. Again, you’re stating things in your Scholar way. The Fifth Amendment is a right, not someone invoking it to say it protects a certain right that has been violated, denied or lost. This is the problem with you. I said in my quote that they are covered by the 5th Amendment, which is a right. And you have mixed things up in your scholar way to say that the 5th Amendment is just used to protect some other right. No, Texan, the 5th Amendment is a RIGHT. A RIGHT! One of the most important Rights we have. May be if you would have cited the 9th Amendment you would be right, but you mixed things up, once again. By the way, have you read the Bill of Rights?Regarding this, here was your statement: Just what right have they lost if they commit another crime (except being here ILLEGALLY), arrested and have their status verified?- The Cowboy.And I answered:Basically, and don't be surprised, Illegal Aliens are covered by our precious "Bill of Rights," among others depending on the state. And now that you cited the "another crime" the 5th Amendment would answer that question.I mean not that they lost, but that they are covered by that Amendment too.Your statement was like "Illegal Aliens don't have rights. What could have they lost?"–The King.And:But, that's a good point. Felons are a bit like Illegal Aliens regarding their rights. But, that's not the same as saying that Illegal Aliens are like Felons.Just to be sure. Do you know they’re protected by our Bill of Rights?I still want to know how you would apply the 5th Amendment to the scenario that I suggested? You are the one that brought up the 5th amendment in this discussion, you have yet to state how it applies.First you have yet to state where I said they violate the Fifth Amendment when they arrest an Illegal. TELL ME WHERE!? I don’t think you’ll find it. Read the sentences in red several times. I said they are covered by the Fifth Amendment, empasizing you that they are covered by our same rights. I never said that Illegals lose the right of the 5th Amendment if they get arrested, I said they are covered by that on the supposed situation you came out with. Now do you understand the point of why I said any criminal still has rights? When Moreluck mentioned that defending Illegals is like defending Felons, as if they don’t have the right to be defended by whoever they want, like a lawyer. Do you know that they have that RIGHT!? Now, I hope that you understand why I said Illegals have rights, and that they are covered by the Fifth Amendment on that situation you mentioned. And if you still insist on this, I want you to tell me where the heck did I say that they lose their right to remain silent if they get arrested. WHERE!? Really, Cowboy, you need to understand what “reading between the lines” is. However, I’ll explain you how under SB1070 the 5th Amendment could be violated. But first answer: DO YOU AGREE THAT ILLEGALS ARE COVERED BY THE BILL OF RIGHTS? YES or NO?</blockquote>

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