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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 836885" data-attributes="member: 17969">ISland,Many dont understand that mexico itself has an "immigration" problem as well.The chinese have tons of people living there awaiting visas into the us. Whole cities have popped up in mexico. If you travel to acapulco, you only have to travel a couple miles outside of main street to see hundreds of chinese.It's not that I don't understand that mexico has an illegal immigration problem, it's that I don't care. That is their problem to solve just as our problem is our's to solve. That is exactly what many of us have been saying for longer than you've been hearing about the issue. You must understand how one factor affect the other.  You say you dont care, ok, then you must not understand the effect of multiplication.  We are a part of the problem in mexico.  43% of all jobs are provided by the USA and growing each year.  Those in central and south america go to mexico to get one of those jobs because they hear of them while living in a chitthole.  Once there, they find that those jobs pay next to nothing so they move further north where they "hear" about jobs paying 75 to 100 a day in the usa.  As long as this is the "mindset" they will always come. Mexico does not have the resources or desire to stop this.  In fact, they continue to encourage american companies to move down there without any concern for the us economy.IN addition, central and south american hispanics are migrating into mexico and that adds more people to mexico than the goverment is willing to handle.But they think WE...the USA...should be willing to handle more of their people as well as the ones they would handle. It's time for that crap to stop.  We can agree on this point, but the problem still remains, how to get them to stop while millions of dollars of american money flood their GDP.   In response, mexico simply allows them to ride trains in any way possible to get as far north as they can. Once there, they illegally cross, those are the ones that make up the majority of hispanics crossing our borders.Where do you get that info?  This is common info if youre paying attention.  Here is a link to an article that spells it out for you.<a href="http://www.cjd.org/paper/cause.html" target="_blank">http://www.cjd.org/paper/cause.html</a>AV8 said that 62% are mexicans, that is not true. 62% are of hispanic backgrounds and that includes all hispanics, mexican, central and south americans.He just said mexicans.mexicans or not what difference does it make? If they come here through our southern border they are ILLEGAL aliens. Call them anything you want they are still criminals.The difference is simple.  They are different. racism doesnt make it ok.  Not all people who speak spanish are from mexico. Calling them all mexicans is disrespectful. Yes they are all illegals, but there are white illegals as well.  Would you consider them all one race?Mexico will not take any action to stop its southern immigration problem. Nor will it take any action to stop the northern migration to the us.We can't do anything about mexico's southern borders, but we can do something about OURS.  Yes we can.  We can stop exploiting those countries labor forces with jobs that pay close to nothing. If ANY american company goes to a foriegn country to operate, then they must pay a living wage or else they do nothing but to send those people here to the united states to take american jobs.Mexico is allowed to send its people up here and then they send the money back.If our unemployment number were low enough, I don't have a problem with a work program of some kind as long as it is monitored effectively. Mexico wins. We Lose.And we lose more every year.We cant encourage temp workers, there is NO way to monitor it.  Thousands of visas are issued for up to 3 months and then those people simply disappear into our country.  The level of security it would take to monitor these people would cost trillions of dollars.  We would lose even bigger.It all starts with money and economics. We stop hiring them, temporary or not and we force either high tariffs on american imports from mexico or force american companies operating in mexico to pay living wages.I agree, except I don't know how the US government could regulate what an American company operating in mexico pays in wages, that would be up to the mexican government. I can fix that for ya,  if an american company goes to ANY foriegn country and employs people, if those wages are not consistent with a living wage, then a hefty TARIFF should apply to all goods sent back to this country. We need to discourage the practice in the first place. Amana, Frigidaire, Briggs and Stratton, Levis and the like went to mexico and are paying about 10 bucks a day to assemble products.  No benefits, no holidays, no taxes. Then they send products back to this country duty free. Who loses?  Here, republicans dont like the words "industry standards", people like moreluck would rather see americans payed less and recieve less in benefits and allow higher corporate profits, yet in mexico, she would support american companies using the term "industry standard" when paying less than 11 bucks a day.Wouldn't the industry standard mean in the general location of like industries ? Thats the republicans stance.  In vietnam, they pay about 40 cents a day to laborers making american products, and they say its industry standard for the area. Seriously?  Here, one company pays us 32 bucks an hour to deliver boxes and thats called "industry standard" fedex complains that the term is useless and they get support from people like moreluck, trip, av8, trickpony...Whoa there big fella, before you use my name in an accusation make sure you know what you are talking about. I've never spoken against industry standard, here or anywhere else. I may be mistaken here, but i recall you supporting gov walkers action against unions, and that is simply an attack on industry standards.But industry standard is ok when an american company goes to another country and pays less than anyone could ever possibly live on and its called the free market.It's pretty clear that industry standards will be different in different places because of cost of living standards. If this is your belief, why then are the republicans trying to reduce the pay of all middle class americans when this country is the most expensive place to live in the whole world, excluding Monaco.We need to pick a side or be quiet on the issue.Is that the royal we ?  No, and it aint a mouse in my pocket that speaks french either.Peace.</blockquote>

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