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<blockquote data-quote="quad decade guy" data-source="post: 5101089" data-attributes="member: 77939">I encourage anyone to read NTSB accident reports.....especially Aviation related. Fatigue factors are always explored. The law was established as a red line. You can&#039;t work for hire while you are resting. Whether it&#039;s your own business or not. Can this be worked around? Not really. You are being paid somehow. I would think a judge or jury would probably find against you. If you had an accident while talking on the phone to one of your employees about your business in a UPS vehicle or while say doing a pretrip.....whatever.....would you be stealing time?It&#039;s not just volunteer work....it&#039;s life in general.Personally, I work and sleep in my 60 hour workweek. That&#039;s about it. Doing only what is absolutely necessary until the weekend. I want to get some experience as an aviation mechanic(I am one now but driving a feeder) before retirement. No-one is interested in me &quot;volunteering&quot; as they have to account for their time and books. And no-one really works on the weekends anyway.....so I just have to wait. I got my mechanics license(at a local junior college) while in feeders. I had the same run for the 2 years it took to graduate. Getting about 4 hours of sleep. For 2 years. This is/was pretty foolish. I studied a lot on the weekends too.Do you notice how defensive folks get and work arounds are immediately deployed to justify &quot;moonlighting&quot;? Bottom line? If there wasn&#039;t a law or standard.....folks would work 24/7 like the old days.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="quad decade guy, post: 5101089, member: 77939"] I encourage anyone to read NTSB accident reports.....especially Aviation related. Fatigue factors are always explored. The law was established as a red line. You can't work for hire while you are resting. Whether it's your own business or not. Can this be worked around? Not really. You are being paid somehow. I would think a judge or jury would probably find against you. If you had an accident while talking on the phone to one of your employees about your business in a UPS vehicle or while say doing a pretrip.....whatever.....would you be stealing time? It's not just volunteer work....it's life in general. Personally, I work and sleep in my 60 hour workweek. That's about it. Doing only what is absolutely necessary until the weekend. I want to get some experience as an aviation mechanic(I am one now but driving a feeder) before retirement. No-one is interested in me "volunteering" as they have to account for their time and books. And no-one really works on the weekends anyway.....so I just have to wait. I got my mechanics license(at a local junior college) while in feeders. I had the same run for the 2 years it took to graduate. Getting about 4 hours of sleep. For 2 years. This is/was pretty foolish. I studied a lot on the weekends too. Do you notice how defensive folks get and work arounds are immediately deployed to justify "moonlighting"? Bottom line? If there wasn't a law or standard.....folks would work 24/7 like the old days. [/QUOTE]

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