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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 1165167" data-attributes="member: 2189">I don&#039;t consider the article linked below as any evidence of a growth in atheism directly as claiming &quot;no affiliation&quot; is a few steps from claiming &quot;no god&quot; but it is a further sign to suggest that organized faith as we presently know it may be or will experience decline if not now, in the years ahead as boomers especially die off.&nbsp; I suspect organized religion will as it has so many other times just once again evolve and adapt to new societal paradigms but then this undermines the claims of the perfect, eternal word of god first off being perfect and secondly being unchanging.&nbsp;&nbsp; If Ravi Sacharias better understood this, he might also better understand Nietzche&#039;s &quot;God is Dead&quot; point in the first place, especially considering the knowledge of our world and how it really operates thanks to the enlightenment.&nbsp; Also someone tell Ravi it was Nietzche&#039;s sister Elizabeth and not his mother who cared for him.&nbsp; Please get the basics facts right but then considering who that message was really meant for, the factual details are irrelevant.As we now laugh at anyone who quotes the bible as authoritative to say we should not mix fabrics in clothes or to send women on their periods to live in an outbuilding away from the family home so too will we see claims of treating same sex persons as outcasts.&nbsp; I do think we are a couple of generations from that very thing taking place and it may even happen sooner than later.&nbsp; To those who can change and do, I applaud their efforts in at least understanding that the supremacy claims of the bible isn&#039;t what some claim or want it to be no matter how much they try and make it so.&nbsp; The bible has some good things in it, I wish christians would follow those more but at the same time there is a lot of horrific crap in the bible too.&nbsp; The simple fact is, the bible god is not good and he&#039;s often the biggest violator of his own morality so many want to claim he created in the first place.&nbsp; Instead of love he more often is the megalomaniac and take the Jesus manifestation of god out of the picture and most of you wouldn&#039;t touch the bible god any more than you would the Allah version.&nbsp; That in itself speaks that some level of humanity exists within you.Funny how some within christendom now seem more fixed on making Jesus into the blood thirsty Yahweh and it seems to work too.&nbsp; Pretty easily I&#039;m sad to say.&nbsp; Seems now however the harder they push, larger society is beginning to push back and that is a positive sign.&nbsp; We&#039;ve seen several waves in this country of what are called great awakenings that often have led to religious excess that crushes the human spirit and freeedom.&nbsp; IMO we may be seeing a kind of opposite effect as thought and reason begin to emerge and push back.&nbsp; As the religious waves swept through the nation, with each pass one could also argue a loss of liberty also followed suit so if a new age of reason might emerge, could a new age of liberty not unlike the ideals of Thomas Paine also follow suit?&nbsp; It&#039;s a question with no answer for the moment but looking across the planet and seeing millions in the streets of Egypt, many of those wanting a secular gov&#039;t, I&#039;m seeing signs that are encouraging to those ends.<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wayne-besen/gay-bashing-by-churches-is-why-a-new-pew-poll-shows-america-losing-its-religion_b_1951650.html" target="_blank">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Gay Bashing by Churches Is Why a New Pew Poll Shows America Losing Its Religion&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; </a></blockquote>

[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 1165167, member: 2189"] I don't consider the article linked below as any evidence of a growth in atheism directly as claiming "no affiliation" is a few steps from claiming "no god" but it is a further sign to suggest that organized faith as we presently know it may be or will experience decline if not now, in the years ahead as boomers especially die off. I suspect organized religion will as it has so many other times just once again evolve and adapt to new societal paradigms but then this undermines the claims of the perfect, eternal word of god first off being perfect and secondly being unchanging. If Ravi Sacharias better understood this, he might also better understand Nietzche's "God is Dead" point in the first place, especially considering the knowledge of our world and how it really operates thanks to the enlightenment. Also someone tell Ravi it was Nietzche's sister Elizabeth and not his mother who cared for him. Please get the basics facts right but then considering who that message was really meant for, the factual details are irrelevant. As we now laugh at anyone who quotes the bible as authoritative to say we should not mix fabrics in clothes or to send women on their periods to live in an outbuilding away from the family home so too will we see claims of treating same sex persons as outcasts. I do think we are a couple of generations from that very thing taking place and it may even happen sooner than later. To those who can change and do, I applaud their efforts in at least understanding that the supremacy claims of the bible isn't what some claim or want it to be no matter how much they try and make it so. The bible has some good things in it, I wish christians would follow those more but at the same time there is a lot of horrific crap in the bible too. The simple fact is, the bible god is not good and he's often the biggest violator of his own morality so many want to claim he created in the first place. Instead of love he more often is the megalomaniac and take the Jesus manifestation of god out of the picture and most of you wouldn't touch the bible god any more than you would the Allah version. That in itself speaks that some level of humanity exists within you. Funny how some within christendom now seem more fixed on making Jesus into the blood thirsty Yahweh and it seems to work too. Pretty easily I'm sad to say. Seems now however the harder they push, larger society is beginning to push back and that is a positive sign. We've seen several waves in this country of what are called great awakenings that often have led to religious excess that crushes the human spirit and freeedom. IMO we may be seeing a kind of opposite effect as thought and reason begin to emerge and push back. As the religious waves swept through the nation, with each pass one could also argue a loss of liberty also followed suit so if a new age of reason might emerge, could a new age of liberty not unlike the ideals of Thomas Paine also follow suit? It's a question with no answer for the moment but looking across the planet and seeing millions in the streets of Egypt, many of those wanting a secular gov't, I'm seeing signs that are encouraging to those ends. [B][URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wayne-besen/gay-bashing-by-churches-is-why-a-new-pew-poll-shows-america-losing-its-religion_b_1951650.html"][COLOR=#ff0000][SIZE=2] Gay Bashing by Churches Is Why a New Pew Poll Shows America Losing Its Religion [/SIZE][/COLOR][/URL][/B] [/QUOTE]

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