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Message: <blockquote data-quote="zubenelgenubi" data-source="post: 4866360" data-attributes="member: 63706">Ok, second point, separating people into groups is also a problem. If we're all Americans, and not factionalized, we will be more unified. Hazing, in it's various forms, is a bonding experience and allow for the exploration of boundaries and limits so that we can understand each other better and develop mutual respect. I think that used to be understood. Of course hazing can and does go too far, but that can be a blurry line, and requires situational discretion by those involved.</blockquote>