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<blockquote data-quote="zubenelgenubi" data-source="post: 5353897" data-attributes="member: 63706">You can&#039;t prove a negative knucklehead. You have to prove that CO2 is the main driver of the greenhouse effect. You can&#039;t. It hasn&#039;t been done, you only have opinions and speculation, no real.science, but you don&#039;t know that because you worship people who tell you what you already believe.The most effective greenhouse effect driver is water vapor. All the supposed greenhouse gases combined don&#039;t even make up a percent of the total greenhouse effect. Water vapor offsets itself quite a bit with those big fluffy white things that float in the sky, as they reflect sunlight back into space.The sun is the main driver of temperature on the surface of the Earth. Solar output, and the variations in the Earth&#039;s orbit and obliquity account for he vast majority of temperature change on the Earth surface. Air pressure is another factor that comes into play.When you control for.weather stations that are corrupted by the heat island effect, then you can see that the earth is cooling, if you stipulate that it&#039;s even possible to get a reasonably accurate average temperature over the entire surface of the Earth, to be able to determine if there has been an increase. That has never been proven. All You have is opinion and speculation. That&#039;s not good science. But you go ahead and keep putting your faith in bad opinion and speculation and denying the real science.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="zubenelgenubi, post: 5353897, member: 63706"] You can't prove a negative knucklehead. You have to prove that CO2 is the main driver of the greenhouse effect. You can't. It hasn't been done, you only have opinions and speculation, no real.science, but you don't know that because you worship people who tell you what you already believe. The most effective greenhouse effect driver is water vapor. All the supposed greenhouse gases combined don't even make up a percent of the total greenhouse effect. Water vapor offsets itself quite a bit with those big fluffy white things that float in the sky, as they reflect sunlight back into space. The sun is the main driver of temperature on the surface of the Earth. Solar output, and the variations in the Earth's orbit and obliquity account for he vast majority of temperature change on the Earth surface. Air pressure is another factor that comes into play. When you control for.weather stations that are corrupted by the heat island effect, then you can see that the earth is cooling, if you stipulate that it's even possible to get a reasonably accurate average temperature over the entire surface of the Earth, to be able to determine if there has been an increase. That has never been proven. All You have is opinion and speculation. That's not good science. But you go ahead and keep putting your faith in bad opinion and speculation and denying the real science. [/QUOTE]

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