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<blockquote data-quote="vantexan" data-source="post: 5812846" data-attributes="member: 24302"><p>I worked in Emporia, KS in &#039;90-&#039;91.&nbsp; Local UPS driver there was making $50k a year.&nbsp; Compare that to working class people there making half that or less.&nbsp; Often without the benefits.&nbsp; Were never going to have the Social Security payment you earned and not much else.&nbsp; You&#039;re comparing yourself I&#039;m guessing to those with college educations who did well and are saying you&#039;re doing well now because you sacrificed.&nbsp; But you were in a better position to sacrifice working at UPS than a lot of people were.&nbsp; Right now half the country are wage slaves just getting by.&nbsp; Not a matter of doing without because they just don&#039;t have the extra at all.&nbsp; It&#039;s not because they&#039;re all lazy, squander everything.&nbsp; Sure there&#039;s some of that but our industrial base has been gutted and service jobs do not make up the difference.&nbsp; That&#039;s just the reality.&nbsp;&nbsp; Someone will point to that fellow over there who came up with a good idea and started a company.&nbsp; Not everyone is a capable entrepreneur.&nbsp; Nor a capable investor.&nbsp; No one is owed a great living.&nbsp; But if you work 40 years you should at least be able.to feed yourself when you get to the point you can&#039;t work.&nbsp; Die with a little dignity.&nbsp; And that&#039;s why I&#039;ve said repeatedly that Social Security is the best idea the Democrats ever came up with.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="vantexan, post: 5812846, member: 24302"] I worked in Emporia, KS in '90-'91. Local UPS driver there was making $50k a year. Compare that to working class people there making half that or less. Often without the benefits. Were never going to have the Social Security payment you earned and not much else. You're comparing yourself I'm guessing to those with college educations who did well and are saying you're doing well now because you sacrificed. But you were in a better position to sacrifice working at UPS than a lot of people were. Right now half the country are wage slaves just getting by. Not a matter of doing without because they just don't have the extra at all. It's not because they're all lazy, squander everything. Sure there's some of that but our industrial base has been gutted and service jobs do not make up the difference. That's just the reality. Someone will point to that fellow over there who came up with a good idea and started a company. Not everyone is a capable entrepreneur. Nor a capable investor. No one is owed a great living. But if you work 40 years you should at least be able.to feed yourself when you get to the point you can't work. Die with a little dignity. And that's why I've said repeatedly that Social Security is the best idea the Democrats ever came up with. [/QUOTE]

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