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Message: <blockquote data-quote="vantexan" data-source="post: 5813167" data-attributes="member: 24302"><p>Everyone gets it who put in enough quarters.  But let's stop with the low expectations.  Capitalism works, but it is exploitive.  It's not enough for business owners to keep pay low.  They want to keep the matching funds too.  How many big houses, expensive cars, vacations can you have?  The dirty little secret of American capitalism is in order for the business owners to succeed their employees have to settle for a lot less.  That's fine but at the very least help your people who help you succeed by paying towards their retirement.  I guarantee if we end SS we'll see senior poverty go up exponentially.  What we're seeing more and more is the haves and the serfs.</p></blockquote><p></p>