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Message: <blockquote data-quote="vantexan" data-source="post: 4579583" data-attributes="member: 24302"><p>And the Iraqis we were fighting were so brutal that many Iraqi leaders switched sides and supported the Americans because they could clearly see a difference between what the Americans were doing and what their brutal fellow Iraqis were doing.  Turned the tide of the war.  And when Obama pulled us out those really brutal Iraqis became ISIS which killed hundreds of thousands and displaced millions.  That aftermath your article talks about includes what ISIS did to the country while Obama fiddled.  But you won't hear your side ever admit it.  To hear your side tell it a few people tortured to get vital information is much worse than letting religious crazies slaughter hundreds of thousands while trying to establish a caliphate.</p></blockquote><p></p>