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<blockquote data-quote="zubenelgenubi" data-source="post: 4633015" data-attributes="member: 63706">That&#039;s the beauty of oversimplifying the factors and following logic that is completely decoupled from data and anchored firmly in political ideology. You claim experts and countries with good track records for doing what you think they should do. You can claim &quot;experts&quot;, but downplay my references to actual random controlled studies, published and peer reviewed by experts in their respective fields, as &quot;something&quot; I &quot;read on the internet&quot;. Isn&#039;t that where you get your information? Man, you don&#039;t even see your own hypocrisy. Or maybe you do and don&#039;t care? As for countries with good track records, there&#039;s a word or phrase for this logical fallacy, but I can&#039;t recall it at the moment. Basically you set conditions and say that if a country is doing well, it&#039;s because they followed the conditions properly, and if they don&#039;t do well, it&#039;s because people were not following your idea of what they should be doing well enough. This is the mentality driving the liberal world view. No amount of facts or data can overcome it, because they are so dug in and will only accept that which confirms their beliefs. The facts are:There is no evidence that masks slow the spread of ILI. How a population responds to a virus is driven by demographics more than behavior modification. Blaming others for spreading a virus is like blaming them for a tidal wave.Destroying people&#039;s lives by randomly clamping down on some economic activities and not others has caused, and will continue to cause, much more harm than the virus has or will.I&#039;m sorry if the facts don&#039;t support your irrational views. I&#039;m sure your simply dismiss the facts, but you can&#039;t deny them. It&#039;s bizarre that people build an identity around stubbornly causing as much harm as possible while demanding people believe their actions are actually helping. It is an irrational and clownish pov.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="zubenelgenubi, post: 4633015, member: 63706"] That's the beauty of oversimplifying the factors and following logic that is completely decoupled from data and anchored firmly in political ideology. You claim experts and countries with good track records for doing what you think they should do. You can claim "experts", but downplay my references to actual random controlled studies, published and peer reviewed by experts in their respective fields, as "something" I "read on the internet". Isn't that where you get your information? Man, you don't even see your own hypocrisy. Or maybe you do and don't care? As for countries with good track records, there's a word or phrase for this logical fallacy, but I can't recall it at the moment. Basically you set conditions and say that if a country is doing well, it's because they followed the conditions properly, and if they don't do well, it's because people were not following your idea of what they should be doing well enough. This is the mentality driving the liberal world view. No amount of facts or data can overcome it, because they are so dug in and will only accept that which confirms their beliefs. The facts are: There is no evidence that masks slow the spread of ILI. How a population responds to a virus is driven by demographics more than behavior modification. Blaming others for spreading a virus is like blaming them for a tidal wave. Destroying people's lives by randomly clamping down on some economic activities and not others has caused, and will continue to cause, much more harm than the virus has or will. I'm sorry if the facts don't support your irrational views. I'm sure your simply dismiss the facts, but you can't deny them. It's bizarre that people build an identity around stubbornly causing as much harm as possible while demanding people believe their actions are actually helping. It is an irrational and clownish pov. [/QUOTE]

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