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<blockquote data-quote="zubenelgenubi" data-source="post: 4636194" data-attributes="member: 63706">I understand people don&#039;t understand me, all the time. It&#039;s because their own cognitions trip them up and make them assign values to my statements that don&#039;t exist. In other words they infer things that they believe I am implying. But if they actually listen to/ read the words that I write/say without projecting their own values on to them, then what I am actually saying is quite clear. This idea that objectivity is not a desirable goal is based on a conflation of objectivity and objective reality. Objective reality is that which exists In a physical form. Objectivity is the attempt to align views and beliefs up with objective reality. This is impossible, as objectivity is an unachievable ideal. But ideals give is a direction in which to orient ourselves, so they aren&#039;t pointless.Then you have subjective reality. The reality that is made up of our perceptions of objective reality. The goal is to align subjective reality with objective reality, and the closer you get to that, the more true your subjectivity is. By saying being objective is ridiculous you are putting perceptions of reality above the reality itself. Which makes sense in context with the views and logic people like you subscribe to. Saying subjectivity is paramount above objectivity is putting the cart before the horse, which is why all of your views are exactly backwards. This is why being able to refute solipsism is important. If you can&#039;t, then it makes sense that you would place the subjective ahead of the objective. But without the object, there is no perception through which the subjective is formed.Admitting bias, or interest, while truthful, is without meaning if that bias is used as the justification for itself. Like Churchill said, It&#039;s like standing in a bucket and trying to lift yourself up.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="zubenelgenubi, post: 4636194, member: 63706"] I understand people don't understand me, all the time. It's because their own cognitions trip them up and make them assign values to my statements that don't exist. In other words they infer things that they believe I am implying. But if they actually listen to/ read the words that I write/say without projecting their own values on to them, then what I am actually saying is quite clear. This idea that objectivity is not a desirable goal is based on a conflation of objectivity and objective reality. Objective reality is that which exists In a physical form. Objectivity is the attempt to align views and beliefs up with objective reality. This is impossible, as objectivity is an unachievable ideal. But ideals give is a direction in which to orient ourselves, so they aren't pointless. Then you have subjective reality. The reality that is made up of our perceptions of objective reality. The goal is to align subjective reality with objective reality, and the closer you get to that, the more true your subjectivity is. By saying being objective is ridiculous you are putting perceptions of reality above the reality itself. Which makes sense in context with the views and logic people like you subscribe to. Saying subjectivity is paramount above objectivity is putting the cart before the horse, which is why all of your views are exactly backwards. This is why being able to refute solipsism is important. If you can't, then it makes sense that you would place the subjective ahead of the objective. But without the object, there is no perception through which the subjective is formed. Admitting bias, or interest, while truthful, is without meaning if that bias is used as the justification for itself. Like Churchill said, It's like standing in a bucket and trying to lift yourself up. [/QUOTE]

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