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Message: <blockquote data-quote="zubenelgenubi" data-source="post: 4640689" data-attributes="member: 63706">Who decides? If an absolute moral law exists without a moral authority it would either be apart from  consciousness, like a universal law like gravity (if gravity indeed were a universal law], or a result of consciousness. If one were to discover this absolute moral law, how would he be able to distinguish between it and God? But relativism persists, if you don't believe in God. You may say it is never ok to strike a fellow human, and such an action should be punishable with a proportional punishment. But if striking another person is the only way to prevent greater injury, would striking him not be the moral thing to do? So, the morality of violence is relative or situational, maybe. Or there is a higher moral law that applies across all situations.</blockquote>