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Message: <blockquote data-quote="El Correcto" data-source="post: 3413518" data-attributes="member: 60631">Right and wrong is dictated by the government elected by the society. We don’t have to change the constitution to torture, cruel and unusual is dictated by what I brought up in my post above. To European nations our death penalty might be cruel and unusual. We might view sharia law as cruel and unusual. To me water boarding a terrorist doesn’t seem cruel or unusual. You guys instantly say torture doesn’t work, I think it does in some cases and should be used. Like on top level scum Abu Zubaydah and Khalid Sheik Muhammed. Having Osama’s personal courier detained and tortured didn’t have any effect?  Don’t quote me Jill Feinstein’s hit piece, that lady is a radical lefty like the rest. Not to mention Susan Collins with her “moderate” Republican stance.</blockquote>