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<blockquote data-quote="Pullman Brown" data-source="post: 6037229" data-attributes="member: 73012"><p>At the heart of these issues is : What is a nation? What is an American? Is it a propositional nation, that is held together by a Lockean understanding of natural rights- life liberty, and happiness- a universal abstract tabula rasa understanding of human nature not socially constrained by anything but whatever the mass glob of humanity desires or the Edmund Burke understanding of a nation that centers its nation on tradition, shared ethics and religion etc.. We are at a fork in the road and immigration has destroyed our nation period.</p><p></p><p>Let me break down the key differences in political and philosophical thought between John Locke and Edmund Burke:</p><p></p><p>Locke (1632-1704) represents classical liberalism and rationalist Enlightenment thinking. His core ideas include:</p><p>- Natural rights exist prior to government (life, liberty, property)</p><p>- Government's legitimacy comes from the consent of the governed through a social contract</p><p>- Revolution is justified when government violates natural rights</p><p>- Reason and individual judgment should guide political decisions</p><p>- Human beings are born as blank slates ("tabula rasa") and shaped by experience</p><p>- Progress comes through rational reform based on universal principles</p><p></p><p>Burke (1729-1797) represents classical conservatism and skepticism of pure rationalism. His key ideas include:</p><p>- Society is an organic, evolved institution built on accumulated wisdom</p><p>- Change should be gradual and respect existing traditions and institutions</p><p>- Abstract rationalism is dangerous when applied to complex social systems</p><p>- Rights come from history and tradition, not abstract natural law</p><p>- Human nature is limited and flawed; we need societal constraints</p><p>- Knowledge is found in collective experience more than individual reason</p><p></p><p>A concrete example helps illustrate their differences: During the French Revolution, Burke strongly opposed it as dangerous radical change based on abstract rights, while Locke's ideas about natural rights and justified revolution helped inspire it.</p><p></p><p>The key philosophical tension between them is whether political wisdom comes primarily from universal reason and natural rights (Locke) or from tradition, history and organic social development (Burke). This remains a fundamental divide in political philosophy today.</p><p></p><p>Claude</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pullman Brown, post: 6037229, member: 73012"] At the heart of these issues is : What is a nation? What is an American? Is it a propositional nation, that is held together by a Lockean understanding of natural rights- life liberty, and happiness- a universal abstract tabula rasa understanding of human nature not socially constrained by anything but whatever the mass glob of humanity desires or the Edmund Burke understanding of a nation that centers its nation on tradition, shared ethics and religion etc.. We are at a fork in the road and immigration has destroyed our nation period. Let me break down the key differences in political and philosophical thought between John Locke and Edmund Burke: Locke (1632-1704) represents classical liberalism and rationalist Enlightenment thinking. His core ideas include: - Natural rights exist prior to government (life, liberty, property) - Government's legitimacy comes from the consent of the governed through a social contract - Revolution is justified when government violates natural rights - Reason and individual judgment should guide political decisions - Human beings are born as blank slates ("tabula rasa") and shaped by experience - Progress comes through rational reform based on universal principles Burke (1729-1797) represents classical conservatism and skepticism of pure rationalism. His key ideas include: - Society is an organic, evolved institution built on accumulated wisdom - Change should be gradual and respect existing traditions and institutions - Abstract rationalism is dangerous when applied to complex social systems - Rights come from history and tradition, not abstract natural law - Human nature is limited and flawed; we need societal constraints - Knowledge is found in collective experience more than individual reason A concrete example helps illustrate their differences: During the French Revolution, Burke strongly opposed it as dangerous radical change based on abstract rights, while Locke's ideas about natural rights and justified revolution helped inspire it. The key philosophical tension between them is whether political wisdom comes primarily from universal reason and natural rights (Locke) or from tradition, history and organic social development (Burke). This remains a fundamental divide in political philosophy today. Claude [/QUOTE]
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