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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Guitarman01" data-source="post: 5304629" data-attributes="member: 90385">Yes, I realized that right off the bat. You can only judge estar on a whole, not the individual route. So yes I would assume you would have to look at multiple stats pre and post estar to be able to judge if it is a benefit or loss to the company.At this moment with the economy, I think gas prices will be a major determining factor of its efficiency that might even Trump p1 service. Meaning gas prices are so high right now, could they be taking a loss running p1 service in certain circumstances, especially with rural routes?Ups Orion was built to try to save on gas, Estar really wasnt was it?</blockquote>