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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 804838" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>I thought this was the case but I had to bring it up just to make sure. As for what morals, there is at least IMO a basic moral thread that runs through most all societies and cultures that is also common to all. Murder, theft and lying for example are all considered wrongs and the overwhelming vast majority of people across the planet, if you asked them would tend to agree. So in that respect, there exists within man a common moral thread already and imo a great starting basis from which to work.</p><p></p><p>Different peoples would point to some concept from within their own cultures to express this idea but it's general thrust would still be common to all. For me, I've found what is known as the <span style="color: red">Non-Aggression Principle or Axiom</span> to express that idea but others have formulas very similar and call them by other names. And as I said, it may go by different names but the same basic premise of don't murder, don't steal and don't lie are well known and well believed concepts. Also the <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20110623052008/http://garlinggauge.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/large_golden_rule_poster.jpg" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Golden Rule ideal</span></a> is seen across mankind and so is the "love they neighbor as thyself" principle.</p><p></p><p>As for so-called Satanism, most true Satanist are not out committing murder, theft or fraud as such but in many a sense are just acting on a belief that god if you will is within them. I don't believe in the bronze age Zoroastrian myth of a fallen angel that rules the world of evil or is some form of anti-god and for the most part, neither do <a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/satanis4.htm" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">these guys</span> </a>either. At least not in the traditional sense most people think of. Yet within their sphere of belief seems to be a common connection in form to the don't murder, don't lie, don't steal so once you get past "the weirdness" if you will, seems to me a discussion of morals and ethics from a simple basis would prove just as productive with a Satanist as it would be with anyone else, even one of the chritian faith for example if you want to pull a name out of the hat.</p><p></p><p>And <a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/witchcra.htm" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Wiccanism</span></a> or witchcraft as many apply the name to this faith was wrongly and falsely associated with so-called Satanism or Satan worship by the excesses of the christian church not only long ago but even up into today. And some christian faiths today assert any other belief other than their own is Satanic so there you go. As in the case of a Satanist, I still see no reason that the earlier premise of moral and ethical concepts are violated as a group by Wiccans. So now we have a somewhat lose basis of moral agreement between the judeo-christian or the Abrahamic traditions and the Satanist and Wiccans so what might that say for our discussing going forward? Does pose an interesting thought IMO!</p><p></p><p>I never said any of us were perfect at this but the idea that these basic ideals are shared does make one wonder what causes us to so grossly violate what we all seem to hold in such high regard! Hmmmmmmm!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 804838, member: 2189"] I thought this was the case but I had to bring it up just to make sure. As for what morals, there is at least IMO a basic moral thread that runs through most all societies and cultures that is also common to all. Murder, theft and lying for example are all considered wrongs and the overwhelming vast majority of people across the planet, if you asked them would tend to agree. So in that respect, there exists within man a common moral thread already and imo a great starting basis from which to work. Different peoples would point to some concept from within their own cultures to express this idea but it's general thrust would still be common to all. For me, I've found what is known as the [COLOR=red]Non-Aggression Principle or Axiom[/COLOR] to express that idea but others have formulas very similar and call them by other names. And as I said, it may go by different names but the same basic premise of don't murder, don't steal and don't lie are well known and well believed concepts. Also the [URL='https://web.archive.org/web/20110623052008/http://garlinggauge.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/large_golden_rule_poster.jpg'][COLOR=red]Golden Rule ideal[/COLOR][/URL] is seen across mankind and so is the "love they neighbor as thyself" principle. As for so-called Satanism, most true Satanist are not out committing murder, theft or fraud as such but in many a sense are just acting on a belief that god if you will is within them. I don't believe in the bronze age Zoroastrian myth of a fallen angel that rules the world of evil or is some form of anti-god and for the most part, neither do [URL='http://www.religioustolerance.org/satanis4.htm'][COLOR=red]these guys[/COLOR] [/URL]either. At least not in the traditional sense most people think of. Yet within their sphere of belief seems to be a common connection in form to the don't murder, don't lie, don't steal so once you get past "the weirdness" if you will, seems to me a discussion of morals and ethics from a simple basis would prove just as productive with a Satanist as it would be with anyone else, even one of the chritian faith for example if you want to pull a name out of the hat. And [URL='http://www.religioustolerance.org/witchcra.htm'][COLOR=red]Wiccanism[/COLOR][/URL] or witchcraft as many apply the name to this faith was wrongly and falsely associated with so-called Satanism or Satan worship by the excesses of the christian church not only long ago but even up into today. And some christian faiths today assert any other belief other than their own is Satanic so there you go. As in the case of a Satanist, I still see no reason that the earlier premise of moral and ethical concepts are violated as a group by Wiccans. So now we have a somewhat lose basis of moral agreement between the judeo-christian or the Abrahamic traditions and the Satanist and Wiccans so what might that say for our discussing going forward? Does pose an interesting thought IMO! I never said any of us were perfect at this but the idea that these basic ideals are shared does make one wonder what causes us to so grossly violate what we all seem to hold in such high regard! Hmmmmmmm! [/QUOTE]
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