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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 840603" data-attributes="member: 2189">It&#039;s a real shame IMO that people in the west only want to understand the Middle East in a &quot;current events&quot; (no pun) POV and never reach back and understand it from the Sykes/Picot Agreement &amp; Belfour Declaration events coming forward.&nbsp; We completely miss the 19th century US policy in regards to the plains indians (not unlike the eastern indians either) and how the Middle Easter events of the 20th and now 21st century are nothing more than a replication of that horrific policy.&nbsp; TOS,Not sure of your entire geneology in relation to south of the border but the indigenous peoples to our south who have lived in this area for maybe 1000&#039;s of years have also been very much a victim of this same policy of gov&#039;t.&nbsp; The poverty of which you saw is IMO as much a product of a statist system as it is a product of religion although I&#039;m inclined to accept the religious angle on the basis of the Platoian Noble Lie.&nbsp; Both the lie of state and religion need one another to advance their own cause.&nbsp; That&#039;s my take on it anyway!<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/peaceful.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":peaceful:" title="Peaceful&nbsp; &nbsp; :peaceful:" data-shortname=":peaceful:" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 840603, member: 2189"] It's a real shame IMO that people in the west only want to understand the Middle East in a "current events" (no pun) POV and never reach back and understand it from the Sykes/Picot Agreement & Belfour Declaration events coming forward. We completely miss the 19th century US policy in regards to the plains indians (not unlike the eastern indians either) and how the Middle Easter events of the 20th and now 21st century are nothing more than a replication of that horrific policy. TOS, Not sure of your entire geneology in relation to south of the border but the indigenous peoples to our south who have lived in this area for maybe 1000's of years have also been very much a victim of this same policy of gov't. The poverty of which you saw is IMO as much a product of a statist system as it is a product of religion although I'm inclined to accept the religious angle on the basis of the Platoian Noble Lie. Both the lie of state and religion need one another to advance their own cause. That's my take on it anyway! :peaceful: [/QUOTE]

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