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<blockquote data-quote="zubenelgenubi" data-source="post: 5068178" data-attributes="member: 63706">Well, there is definitely an agenda shared by certain people to put an end to meat eating all together. They are trying to consolidate meat production, and I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if the end goal weren&#039;t to shut down the industry. If that happened, local producers would be the only way to get meat. I know independent ranchers are trying to combine their resources to build their own processing plants, and I hope they are successful.I agree mostly with what you&#039;re saying, but processed and preserved foods also play a key role in ensuring large populations get enough calories. The saying goes that carbs (as well as processed/preserved foods) are great for civilization, not so good for the individual. I think we could probably get by without many/most of the artificial preservatives that may be harmful for long term, continual consumption, but it is unlikely that everyone could eat a perfectly healthy diet and still have enough calories to go around. This is why I get pretty irritated at people who are judgmental towards others with unhealthy diets (not saying you are such a person, but I bring it up with you because you are pretty reasonable and easy to discuss things with). To the haters, if everyone ate perfectly and didn&#039;t get fat or develop metabolic disorders, there would be a price to pay somewhere else. Eat some damn ice cream, mashed potatoes with gravy, or a chocolate frosting filled powdered donut from dunkin from time to time, and enjoy life. I for one enjoy the occasional velveta on white bread grilled cheese sandwich with instant top ramen. Ain&#039;t nothing natural about any of that, but it sure beats starving to death. To people who eat that stuff non-stop, eat some damn broccoli from time to time.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="zubenelgenubi, post: 5068178, member: 63706"] Well, there is definitely an agenda shared by certain people to put an end to meat eating all together. They are trying to consolidate meat production, and I wouldn't be surprised if the end goal weren't to shut down the industry. If that happened, local producers would be the only way to get meat. I know independent ranchers are trying to combine their resources to build their own processing plants, and I hope they are successful. I agree mostly with what you're saying, but processed and preserved foods also play a key role in ensuring large populations get enough calories. The saying goes that carbs (as well as processed/preserved foods) are great for civilization, not so good for the individual. I think we could probably get by without many/most of the artificial preservatives that may be harmful for long term, continual consumption, but it is unlikely that everyone could eat a perfectly healthy diet and still have enough calories to go around. This is why I get pretty irritated at people who are judgmental towards others with unhealthy diets (not saying you are such a person, but I bring it up with you because you are pretty reasonable and easy to discuss things with). To the haters, if everyone ate perfectly and didn't get fat or develop metabolic disorders, there would be a price to pay somewhere else. Eat some damn ice cream, mashed potatoes with gravy, or a chocolate frosting filled powdered donut from dunkin from time to time, and enjoy life. I for one enjoy the occasional velveta on white bread grilled cheese sandwich with instant top ramen. Ain't nothing natural about any of that, but it sure beats starving to death. To people who eat that stuff non-stop, eat some damn broccoli from time to time. [/QUOTE]

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