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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 581583" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Good post Tony. You beat me to it.</p><p></p><p>Here's another from Counterpunch who flat sez "progressives" should be joining the hecklers at the Town Hall meetings.</p><p></p><p> <em><span style="font-size: 9px">bold and underlinded emphasis is mine</span></em></p><p></p><p><strong><strong><span style="color: #990000"><a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff08112009.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: red">Why Aren't Progressives Disrupting ObamaCare Town Halls?</span></span> </a></span></strong></strong></p><p></p><p>And there's <span style="color: red">this</span> (at Counterpunch) from the founder of singlepayer who sez the following in defending the TownHall protesting:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Even though I don't support single payer myself and I'm not blind to serious problems with healthcare nor the fact that our dollar is a devaluing medium of exchange worth now about $0.04 in purchasing power and probably dropping again (many of the ills of healthcare are found here IMO) the current Obama plan IMO is nothing but a cartel created by the state and further state interventions from an entity that caused most all the problems in the first place. Oh they had a very willing partner in certain corp. special interests but it's the State who we've given the power of force and those corp. interests used it like a fine chisel to carve out their own perfect world.</p><p></p><p>And considering the power of collective force as an aside, did you ever ask yourself, if you as an individual don't have any power to force another human being to act against their will or in the self interest of yours, then how can you enter a voting booth and with other individuals bestore on a 3rd party a power collectively that none of us ever held individually?</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/surprised.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":surprised:" title="Surprised :surprised:" data-shortname=":surprised:" /></p><p></p><p>I find it most ironic that there are more and more progressives who say they don't believe in Free Market, pure Laissez Faire principles (a general characterization if you will) and yet at least when it comes to State Corp. Priviledge and Cartelization and opposing it as FM/LF economic principles demand, they get it.</p><p></p><p>I'm not one to rely on polls especially over time because poll questions are often worded IMO to drive a specific outcome but in looking and reading progressive/paleo liberal voices, it's coming more and more clear at least to me that the drop in polls like the ones below may be from the solid core progressive/paleo lib who are realizing now that their own party has been hijacked by a bunch of "NEO's" too! Good for them!</p><p></p><p><img src="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_index_graphics/august_2009/obama_index_august_13_2009/240220-1-eng-US/obama_index_august_13_2009.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_total_approval_graphics/august_2009/obama_total_approval_august_13_2009/240235-1-eng-US/obama_total_approval_august_13_2009.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>For those Obamatons still in lovefest mode, your problem is very similar to the last adminstration's problem, your President is completely surrounded by the wrong people!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 581583, member: 2189"] Good post Tony. You beat me to it. Here's another from Counterpunch who flat sez "progressives" should be joining the hecklers at the Town Hall meetings. [I][SIZE=1]bold and underlinded emphasis is mine[/SIZE][/I] [B][B][COLOR=#990000][URL='http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff08112009.html'][SIZE=2][COLOR=red]Why Aren't Progressives Disrupting ObamaCare Town Halls?[/COLOR][/SIZE] [/URL][/COLOR][/B][/B] And there's [COLOR=red]this[/COLOR] (at Counterpunch) from the founder of singlepayer who sez the following in defending the TownHall protesting: Even though I don't support single payer myself and I'm not blind to serious problems with healthcare nor the fact that our dollar is a devaluing medium of exchange worth now about $0.04 in purchasing power and probably dropping again (many of the ills of healthcare are found here IMO) the current Obama plan IMO is nothing but a cartel created by the state and further state interventions from an entity that caused most all the problems in the first place. Oh they had a very willing partner in certain corp. special interests but it's the State who we've given the power of force and those corp. interests used it like a fine chisel to carve out their own perfect world. And considering the power of collective force as an aside, did you ever ask yourself, if you as an individual don't have any power to force another human being to act against their will or in the self interest of yours, then how can you enter a voting booth and with other individuals bestore on a 3rd party a power collectively that none of us ever held individually? :surprised: I find it most ironic that there are more and more progressives who say they don't believe in Free Market, pure Laissez Faire principles (a general characterization if you will) and yet at least when it comes to State Corp. Priviledge and Cartelization and opposing it as FM/LF economic principles demand, they get it. I'm not one to rely on polls especially over time because poll questions are often worded IMO to drive a specific outcome but in looking and reading progressive/paleo liberal voices, it's coming more and more clear at least to me that the drop in polls like the ones below may be from the solid core progressive/paleo lib who are realizing now that their own party has been hijacked by a bunch of "NEO's" too! Good for them! [IMG]http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_index_graphics/august_2009/obama_index_august_13_2009/240220-1-eng-US/obama_index_august_13_2009.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_total_approval_graphics/august_2009/obama_total_approval_august_13_2009/240235-1-eng-US/obama_total_approval_august_13_2009.jpg[/IMG] For those Obamatons still in lovefest mode, your problem is very similar to the last adminstration's problem, your President is completely surrounded by the wrong people! [/QUOTE]
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