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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 581612" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Tie,</p><p> </p><p>Absolutely. I think there is a lot more of that than some want to admit. People are scared not because of some rightwing spin job but because there is so little detail having been put out in the first place and then if</p><p>we want to walk down that path, we've granted a huge growth medium for people to take the issue and spin it off to their own purposes because so little in detail is actually known. Democrats made the same mistake if you will as republicans in not being forthcoming with all facts for whatever reason and then assuring we should trust them only to later learn reality didn't always fit in the end what we were told. You can argue it was a well intentioned honest mistake but it was a mistake none the less. Americans with healthcare seem to have the attitude it's better to have the devil you know rather than the devil that you don't and I understand that.</p><p> </p><p>This is also why I think arguing say with a Canadian or visa versa for a Canadian to argue with many of us is a waste of time. In the end, to use a sports analogy, we're all just a bunch of homers who love our own devils.</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p><p> </p><p>Now those for this plan are forced to step up to try and explain after the fact and it just doesn't sell after the campaign promise of transparency, openness and change. The average folk are seeing that and people more and more just don't trust gov't anymore and sadly gov't doesn't do a whole lot IMO to earn any trust either, regardless of political party.</p><p> </p><p>There is something wrong with the healthcare system, I understand that POV but the solution IMO is not for some backroom deal be made and then elected officials throw it out as some manna from heaven in the form of 1000 plus pages we and our elected officials are to digest in a matter of hours and then vote to as some believe overturn heaven and hell?. This issue should be openly and completely discussed in the public arena "OVER TIME", all options and all sides get a fair hearing if you will and nothing is left off the table. Show all the pros and cons and be transparent. Why has this whole thing been all of a sudden turned into such a crisis to almost equate to the end of mankind as we know it no matter which way we vote on this thing. I'm not convinced at all that it has reached such levels either way and the only reason to go so far is to slip something past the public and all speed is needed to maintain political advantage because in the end what you are really doing has other motives that the people might not like if they truly knew.</p><p> </p><p>It's often said and always so true IMO, Sunshine is the greatest disinfectant and the biggest problem the healthcare issue has is lots of sunshine!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 581612, member: 2189"] Tie, Absolutely. I think there is a lot more of that than some want to admit. People are scared not because of some rightwing spin job but because there is so little detail having been put out in the first place and then if we want to walk down that path, we've granted a huge growth medium for people to take the issue and spin it off to their own purposes because so little in detail is actually known. Democrats made the same mistake if you will as republicans in not being forthcoming with all facts for whatever reason and then assuring we should trust them only to later learn reality didn't always fit in the end what we were told. You can argue it was a well intentioned honest mistake but it was a mistake none the less. Americans with healthcare seem to have the attitude it's better to have the devil you know rather than the devil that you don't and I understand that. This is also why I think arguing say with a Canadian or visa versa for a Canadian to argue with many of us is a waste of time. In the end, to use a sports analogy, we're all just a bunch of homers who love our own devils. :happy-very: Now those for this plan are forced to step up to try and explain after the fact and it just doesn't sell after the campaign promise of transparency, openness and change. The average folk are seeing that and people more and more just don't trust gov't anymore and sadly gov't doesn't do a whole lot IMO to earn any trust either, regardless of political party. There is something wrong with the healthcare system, I understand that POV but the solution IMO is not for some backroom deal be made and then elected officials throw it out as some manna from heaven in the form of 1000 plus pages we and our elected officials are to digest in a matter of hours and then vote to as some believe overturn heaven and hell?. This issue should be openly and completely discussed in the public arena "OVER TIME", all options and all sides get a fair hearing if you will and nothing is left off the table. Show all the pros and cons and be transparent. Why has this whole thing been all of a sudden turned into such a crisis to almost equate to the end of mankind as we know it no matter which way we vote on this thing. I'm not convinced at all that it has reached such levels either way and the only reason to go so far is to slip something past the public and all speed is needed to maintain political advantage because in the end what you are really doing has other motives that the people might not like if they truly knew. It's often said and always so true IMO, Sunshine is the greatest disinfectant and the biggest problem the healthcare issue has is lots of sunshine! [/QUOTE]
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