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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 603060" data-attributes="member: 2189">When it comes to the healthcare debate and republicans and democrats, I don&#039;t consider either side all that reliable. Both want some form that falls into a socialize system of one size or another.Saying that &quot;I&#039;m not surprised&quot; just means that I&#039;m not surprised nor would I be to learn after all said and done and only say 5% hang it up. The fact is my own doctor who is approaching 60 and his partner a couple of years older are watching things closely and they&#039;ve both said depending on the outcome they may hang it up. What would they be thinking if they were say 35?They both admit the current system is unsustainable but like myself, they see the plans in Washington in reality befitting the drug companies and large insurance and mega health companies. They see themselves being forced into a mega cartel where a corp. board will tell them how to practice medicine. Now that is a far cry from fear of a single payer health plan which they already take part in with treating medicare patients. They can&#039;t even negociate prices because medicare regs. place a price floor for services and they can&#039;t go below that and not violate the contract. Don&#039;t treat medicare patinets? Sure, they could do that but then they have patients who&#039;ve been with them for decades and because a gov&#039;t reg. now forces them into a new system, the doctor/patient relationship should be ended?In your zeal to get rid of the Bush corp. types, (agreed they $ucked)you&#039;ve just elected the same thing but hidden under the false mask of change and transparency.I&#039;ve said this earlier in another thread and I&#039;ll repeat again. If they passed a single payer plan I think you see a lot of people going for the door at UPS. First, small business owners working pt. time for the insurance benefits and they are more in number than some might realize and then guys like myself who have a good number of years that would pay retirement now but who only are waiting on that magic age to get insurance. Take that out of the picture and I&#039;ll bet as I head for the exits, I wouldn&#039;t be alone.What I find interesting is comparing healthcare and education (both with a large physical gov&#039;t presense) to the world of computers and electronics. As time goes by, computers and electronics advance in leaps and yet the prices go down but in medicine and education, you get advances but prices continue to go up.Hmmmmmm?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 603060, member: 2189"] When it comes to the healthcare debate and republicans and democrats, I don't consider either side all that reliable. Both want some form that falls into a socialize system of one size or another. Saying that "I'm not surprised" just means that I'm not surprised nor would I be to learn after all said and done and only say 5% hang it up. The fact is my own doctor who is approaching 60 and his partner a couple of years older are watching things closely and they've both said depending on the outcome they may hang it up. What would they be thinking if they were say 35? They both admit the current system is unsustainable but like myself, they see the plans in Washington in reality befitting the drug companies and large insurance and mega health companies. They see themselves being forced into a mega cartel where a corp. board will tell them how to practice medicine. Now that is a far cry from fear of a single payer health plan which they already take part in with treating medicare patients. They can't even negociate prices because medicare regs. place a price floor for services and they can't go below that and not violate the contract. Don't treat medicare patinets? Sure, they could do that but then they have patients who've been with them for decades and because a gov't reg. now forces them into a new system, the doctor/patient relationship should be ended? In your zeal to get rid of the Bush corp. types, (agreed they $ucked)you've just elected the same thing but hidden under the false mask of change and transparency. I've said this earlier in another thread and I'll repeat again. If they passed a single payer plan I think you see a lot of people going for the door at UPS. First, small business owners working pt. time for the insurance benefits and they are more in number than some might realize and then guys like myself who have a good number of years that would pay retirement now but who only are waiting on that magic age to get insurance. Take that out of the picture and I'll bet as I head for the exits, I wouldn't be alone. What I find interesting is comparing healthcare and education (both with a large physical gov't presense) to the world of computers and electronics. As time goes by, computers and electronics advance in leaps and yet the prices go down but in medicine and education, you get advances but prices continue to go up. Hmmmmmm? [/QUOTE]

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