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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 613248" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Brett,</p><p></p><p>I guess looking at the video having some aspect of partisan political party bias I might see where you may have some points but when it comes to Dylan itself, I have to disagree with you point. At around the 3 minute mark, Dylan makes the point about how the market is not a free market, lacks a real competitive environment and then uses the term, "corp. communism" which is a vey valid term IMO.</p><p></p><p>Now you and I might agree the proposed plans are not good but neither is the current system which is a <a href="http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/corporatism.htm" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">socialist system</span> </a>if you really look at it with honest eyes. Now I don't pretend that you've taken an <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">anarcho-capitialist</span> </a>position regarding healthcare so in the tradition and state of current 2 party politics, even your ideas of solution will fall within the framework of the American Socialist experiment as outlined at the link above. If Dylan had a point with the communism thing, it really relates to an almost monopoly status as achieved by both democrat and republican control intervention granted to the various major players in the current healthcare industry. Obviously in a planned economy designed for maximum tax revenues returns, maintaining political control of the ballot box and not for the benefit of providing the best options for the average citizen/folk.</p><p></p><p>I'd like to devolve the system and I'm not so sure you are truly willing to do that regardless of your declarations here when it concerns economics. I've seen to much from you that buys in the the <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017134650/http://www.lewrockwell.com/archives/fm/10-96.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">fallacy of supply side economics</span></a> and the myth making that has gone on around that even from bothsides again.</p><p></p><p>I can't say I remember you or your redstate friends demanding teaparties when Bush socialized medicine during his term. Not a peep of vocal protest came from you guys when <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20090803204947/http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/20767.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Bush was shown a bigger spender than LBJ</span></a> and yet now you scream like rapped virgins! At least the virgins have standing to scream!</p><p></p><p>However a democrat comes along who in fact is really further solidifying Corp. control and yes I think Dylan understands this too, and all you guys do is oppose. Had a republican done this, the silence would be deafening but the funny thing would be the democrats who then would be holding the teaparties! <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /> You know, just like during the Bush years when democrats, even Kennedy was decrying the lack of fiscal responsibility and control in Washington only to throw it all to the 4 winds when they held the keys to the Kingdom.</p><p></p><p>Ah, the hypocrisy of the 2 party system!</p><p></p><p>Dylan Ratigan and I probably part company in a lot of areas when it comes to gov't but I think you sold him part wrong in this case IMO. Also Dylan recently had Ron Paul on talking about the Federal Reserve and I personally didn't see Dylan as a shrill for a communist/socialist system although I wouldn't say some aspects of it called by another name he may not oppose either. Doesn't make him bad just an average American truth be told!</p><p></p><p>BTW: I don't think you can fix healthcare or anything else with a defective economic system and monetary unit. How do you control costs with a inflationary monetary unit that encourages growing debt and using inflation as a hidden means of taxation? And here's something else to consider, how can you appropiate and re-allocate resources to outside the country for the purpose of warfare (nationbuilding) and not have this re-allocation not have a negative effect on the economy at home? The only way then to maintain the economy is to either sieze gold and wealth from abroad, bring it back home and resupply the resources to the domestic economy or somehow create this wealth from thin air and then find mechanism of gov't intervention to introduce this wealth into the domestic economy to cover the shortage of resource allocation for the purpose of war.</p><p></p><p>HINT! HINT!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 613248, member: 2189"] Brett, I guess looking at the video having some aspect of partisan political party bias I might see where you may have some points but when it comes to Dylan itself, I have to disagree with you point. At around the 3 minute mark, Dylan makes the point about how the market is not a free market, lacks a real competitive environment and then uses the term, "corp. communism" which is a vey valid term IMO. Now you and I might agree the proposed plans are not good but neither is the current system which is a [URL='http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/corporatism.htm'][COLOR=red]socialist system[/COLOR] [/URL]if you really look at it with honest eyes. Now I don't pretend that you've taken an [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism'][COLOR=red]anarcho-capitialist[/COLOR] [/URL]position regarding healthcare so in the tradition and state of current 2 party politics, even your ideas of solution will fall within the framework of the American Socialist experiment as outlined at the link above. If Dylan had a point with the communism thing, it really relates to an almost monopoly status as achieved by both democrat and republican control intervention granted to the various major players in the current healthcare industry. Obviously in a planned economy designed for maximum tax revenues returns, maintaining political control of the ballot box and not for the benefit of providing the best options for the average citizen/folk. I'd like to devolve the system and I'm not so sure you are truly willing to do that regardless of your declarations here when it concerns economics. I've seen to much from you that buys in the the [URL='https://web.archive.org/web/20121017134650/http://www.lewrockwell.com/archives/fm/10-96.html'][COLOR=red]fallacy of supply side economics[/COLOR][/URL] and the myth making that has gone on around that even from bothsides again. I can't say I remember you or your redstate friends demanding teaparties when Bush socialized medicine during his term. Not a peep of vocal protest came from you guys when [URL='https://web.archive.org/web/20090803204947/http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/20767.html'][COLOR=red]Bush was shown a bigger spender than LBJ[/COLOR][/URL] and yet now you scream like rapped virgins! At least the virgins have standing to scream! However a democrat comes along who in fact is really further solidifying Corp. control and yes I think Dylan understands this too, and all you guys do is oppose. Had a republican done this, the silence would be deafening but the funny thing would be the democrats who then would be holding the teaparties! :happy-very: You know, just like during the Bush years when democrats, even Kennedy was decrying the lack of fiscal responsibility and control in Washington only to throw it all to the 4 winds when they held the keys to the Kingdom. Ah, the hypocrisy of the 2 party system! Dylan Ratigan and I probably part company in a lot of areas when it comes to gov't but I think you sold him part wrong in this case IMO. Also Dylan recently had Ron Paul on talking about the Federal Reserve and I personally didn't see Dylan as a shrill for a communist/socialist system although I wouldn't say some aspects of it called by another name he may not oppose either. Doesn't make him bad just an average American truth be told! BTW: I don't think you can fix healthcare or anything else with a defective economic system and monetary unit. How do you control costs with a inflationary monetary unit that encourages growing debt and using inflation as a hidden means of taxation? And here's something else to consider, how can you appropiate and re-allocate resources to outside the country for the purpose of warfare (nationbuilding) and not have this re-allocation not have a negative effect on the economy at home? The only way then to maintain the economy is to either sieze gold and wealth from abroad, bring it back home and resupply the resources to the domestic economy or somehow create this wealth from thin air and then find mechanism of gov't intervention to introduce this wealth into the domestic economy to cover the shortage of resource allocation for the purpose of war. HINT! HINT! [/QUOTE]
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