Home
Forums
New posts
Search forums
What's new
New posts
Latest activity
Members
Current visitors
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
New posts
Search forums
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Home
Forums
Brown Cafe Community Center
Current Events
Gov healthcare
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 614672" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>And here's Klein's</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100209150943/http://www.naturalnews.com/027196_cancer_cervical_cancer_cancer_vaccine.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">source</span></a></p><p></p><p>Fortunately, the Sunday Express story was cached outside of the Sunday Express website because they pulled it down. Hmmm, wonder who got that done?</p><p></p><p>Even <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/19/cbsnews_investigates/main5253431.shtml" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">CBS</span></a> covered this story as well. How many other drugs have hit the market only to be revealed later (after the gov't and FDA gave them their blessing) did we learn the tragic truths of this great advances in State sanctioned healthcraft. How is that really any different than the snakeoil salesman who conned us with his firewater? At least with the snakeoil salesman they stand alone and there's no sidepartner in gov't who tells us it's OK because we've tested it and it checks out!</p><p></p><p>As to the story posted above by Klein, there are alternative therapies that show some promise and enough to even gain the attention of traditional orthodox medicine but at the same time, if the above was a fraud then why wasn't Trinity Broadcasting made to answer as well is they were found to be promoting this idea. Hiding behind Freedom of Religion?</p><p></p><p>From the story, sounds like the afflicted took this potion and then called some prayer line as if this act of prayer was a part of the actual theraphy. Sorry, but warning signs are all over the place for me when it comes to this approach. I'll admit my own anti-religious bias as on a good day I'm a Deist but otherwise hold a toe in the water towards atheism so Trinity Broadcasting is not on my "must watch" list and I'd question to be quite honest people who spend a lot of time watching it but then these are the same people you find doing this.</p><p></p><p>[media=youtube]a54iqEr1flQ[/media]</p><p></p><p>Amazing how this kickarse song works with the video! <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p><p></p><p>When you actually look closer at this story, you do discover that an act of religious faith is as much a part of the theraphy as the so-called medicine is.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And from the same story we learn that maybe religion did play a much bigger part in this rather than any serious means of alternative medicine.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20091125162252/http://blackchristiannews.com/news/2009/10/pentecostal-california-doctor-who-hailed-herbal-cancer-cure-arrested.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">source for the 2 above quotes</span></a></p><p></p><p>Just a side note on the terms good chance, having lost a mother-n-law to cancer, a father having had cancer, the doctors never tell you there's a 100% cure rate and they also use the term "good chance" so let's be honest in that even the orthodox methods are not 100% either. And none are without side effects that each person experiences in different levels.</p><p></p><p>But now I'll give a real true free market example that shows some promise and if you look it's only the tip of the iceberg. In 2006' <a href="http://www.thehealthierlife.co.uk/natural-health-articles/cancer/vitamin-c-cancer-breakthrough-00152.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">this article</span> </a>discusses the real potential of a Vitamin C theraphy and consider this point in the article.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Follow the money! What a marvelous idea.</p><p></p><p>And what else is amazing is that you stated that the article I posted entitled, "Localized Healthcare" was (to quote you)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Did you not understand the author was calling not only for local control but a construct outside a massive central state? Example? How about his idea of guilds (remember co-ops)? He even advocated midwives which I'm very high on as we had our kids at home using one. Oddly enough, we saw our midwife recently and when my 12 year old son was born, she charged $1k for the whole thing including pre-natal, delivery and post natal and now her price is $1300 so in 12 years she's gone up in price 30%. What has traditional medicine done in the area of price in that same timespan? Homebirth is not for everyone, I understand that and I thought my wife nuts when she first suggested it but it is an alternative that is often stamped out by the state (it was illegal when we did it) not because of risk but because of the very points made in the Localized Healthcare or the Vitamin C cancer treatment article. Follow the money!</p><p></p><p>BTW Klein: How do you justify your position above and yet in another forum you poo-pood the idea of the H1N1 vaccine being promoted by the same statist system you now defend?</p><p></p><p>But then if you are unable to even understand the true definition of ἀναρχία and to then understand how that is completely different from a society of civil in-fighting between groups using tyranny to obtain control for the own position as ruler (position of statecraft). The goal of the action itself is the complete opposite of ἀναρχία but then I don't expect you to get that either!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 614672, member: 2189"] And here's Klein's [URL='https://web.archive.org/web/20100209150943/http://www.naturalnews.com/027196_cancer_cervical_cancer_cancer_vaccine.html'][COLOR=red]source[/COLOR][/URL] Fortunately, the Sunday Express story was cached outside of the Sunday Express website because they pulled it down. Hmmm, wonder who got that done? Even [URL='http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/19/cbsnews_investigates/main5253431.shtml'][COLOR=red]CBS[/COLOR][/URL] covered this story as well. How many other drugs have hit the market only to be revealed later (after the gov't and FDA gave them their blessing) did we learn the tragic truths of this great advances in State sanctioned healthcraft. How is that really any different than the snakeoil salesman who conned us with his firewater? At least with the snakeoil salesman they stand alone and there's no sidepartner in gov't who tells us it's OK because we've tested it and it checks out! As to the story posted above by Klein, there are alternative therapies that show some promise and enough to even gain the attention of traditional orthodox medicine but at the same time, if the above was a fraud then why wasn't Trinity Broadcasting made to answer as well is they were found to be promoting this idea. Hiding behind Freedom of Religion? From the story, sounds like the afflicted took this potion and then called some prayer line as if this act of prayer was a part of the actual theraphy. Sorry, but warning signs are all over the place for me when it comes to this approach. I'll admit my own anti-religious bias as on a good day I'm a Deist but otherwise hold a toe in the water towards atheism so Trinity Broadcasting is not on my "must watch" list and I'd question to be quite honest people who spend a lot of time watching it but then these are the same people you find doing this. [media=youtube]a54iqEr1flQ[/media] Amazing how this kickarse song works with the video! :happy-very: When you actually look closer at this story, you do discover that an act of religious faith is as much a part of the theraphy as the so-called medicine is. And from the same story we learn that maybe religion did play a much bigger part in this rather than any serious means of alternative medicine. [URL='https://web.archive.org/web/20091125162252/http://blackchristiannews.com/news/2009/10/pentecostal-california-doctor-who-hailed-herbal-cancer-cure-arrested.html'][COLOR=red]source for the 2 above quotes[/COLOR][/URL] Just a side note on the terms good chance, having lost a mother-n-law to cancer, a father having had cancer, the doctors never tell you there's a 100% cure rate and they also use the term "good chance" so let's be honest in that even the orthodox methods are not 100% either. And none are without side effects that each person experiences in different levels. But now I'll give a real true free market example that shows some promise and if you look it's only the tip of the iceberg. In 2006' [URL='http://www.thehealthierlife.co.uk/natural-health-articles/cancer/vitamin-c-cancer-breakthrough-00152.html'][COLOR=red]this article[/COLOR] [/URL]discusses the real potential of a Vitamin C theraphy and consider this point in the article. Follow the money! What a marvelous idea. And what else is amazing is that you stated that the article I posted entitled, "Localized Healthcare" was (to quote you) Did you not understand the author was calling not only for local control but a construct outside a massive central state? Example? How about his idea of guilds (remember co-ops)? He even advocated midwives which I'm very high on as we had our kids at home using one. Oddly enough, we saw our midwife recently and when my 12 year old son was born, she charged $1k for the whole thing including pre-natal, delivery and post natal and now her price is $1300 so in 12 years she's gone up in price 30%. What has traditional medicine done in the area of price in that same timespan? Homebirth is not for everyone, I understand that and I thought my wife nuts when she first suggested it but it is an alternative that is often stamped out by the state (it was illegal when we did it) not because of risk but because of the very points made in the Localized Healthcare or the Vitamin C cancer treatment article. Follow the money! BTW Klein: How do you justify your position above and yet in another forum you poo-pood the idea of the H1N1 vaccine being promoted by the same statist system you now defend? But then if you are unable to even understand the true definition of ἀναρχία and to then understand how that is completely different from a society of civil in-fighting between groups using tyranny to obtain control for the own position as ruler (position of statecraft). The goal of the action itself is the complete opposite of ἀναρχία but then I don't expect you to get that either! [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Home
Forums
Brown Cafe Community Center
Current Events
Gov healthcare
Top
