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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 621770" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>The answer is no and the proof is easy. How many people desire to purchase and smoke marijuana or even grow marijuana only for their own personal use within their own home and yet the state along with the consent of an alleged majority restrict that choice in the marketplace! Extreme?</p><p></p><p>OK, sometime back in this forum we discussed cars as relates to fuel mileage and other alternatives and I think it was you who brought to light that VW builds a little 3 cylinder diesel (Lupo) that gets incredible mileage (70 mpg if I remember) and I think you even said that you'd love to have one. I even went out and looked the car up as I'd never heard of it until your mention and I had to agree with you too.</p><p></p><p>Now we both desire this car obviously yet we are barred by gov't action from purchasing because it's not been approved for VW to sell in this country. We can go to Mexico and purchase one (or could, no longer made) as they are sold there but bringing it back here we must pay protection money (various taxes) to the mafia (Washington) and maybe some local gangs (state and local thuggery) in order to exercise our right to that "free" desire you spoke of. Would that be similar of Coolhand Luke asking Boss Paul in his desire to shake the bush? "Not today Boy!" And Luke was living the free life too? I guess that chain link and razor wire is a pickett fence too!</p><p></p><p>There's the desire, here are a couple of customers in you and I and yet we are prohibited by Boss Godfrey (gov't mandate) from fulfilling our desires. Your point may have some limited truth but in a pure context, we do not have a truly free market and neither is the current healthcare system just as it's true that the proposed heathcare system won't be true free market either.</p><p></p><p>Our healthcare system as it stands is in fact unsustainable and was already a rigged statist capitalist game. Notice I didn't say free market or laissez faire? It is broken and has been for most of the 20th century. Along that span, the gov't has from time to time like the good illusionist been able to manipulate the audience but the audience is catching on as the illusionist is running out of tricks. I fully expect one more rabbit to come out of the hat and really what all the fuss is about is whether the rabbit will be all blue or have patches of red in it just so some of the audience gets the feeling they are relevant in all this nonsense too. That's OK, all we're doing is taking our dirt out of Boss Keen's ditch but then we have to remove our dirt from Boss Paul's yard to remove it back again from Boss Keen's ditch but eventually we'll get our mind right and Captain can sit on a better front porch and better rocker and watch us work!</p><p></p><p>No matter which side wins out in this thing, it's still putting lipstick on a pig and jagger's point is still true IMO. No argument that the proposed healthcare is not free market but then defending the current system is not defending free market either as the current system, to use the buzz word of the day, is socialist in itself at the behest and blessing of those who claim to oppose socialism. And I speak of <a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/peak1.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">republican/conservatives </span></a><span style="color: black">who talk a big game now but when</span> someone else spoke of limited gov't a couple of years back on the big stage, ironic how they sounded then like the vocal opposition to the idea of limited gov't and the tea p<span style="color: black">arty types now. And these same people will still swear they voted for th</span>e right guy.</p><p></p><p>I used the term statist capitalist above and besides the fact that I'm using 2 adjectives as a person/place/thing (poor grammactical construction guilty as charged) I don't call nor do I believe in a so-called capitialist system. Opps, I must be socialist then! Did you know that socialism is or can be free market too? Desire! Choice! It's only not free market when the desire of choice is compelled against the person's will by the use of force or fraud. Remember, all human action is market and involves some form of economic choice. You think about that for a moment.</p><p></p><p>We have a capitalist system but the means of capitial are controlled by state sanctioned monolopy (federal reserve system) and granted protection by legal tender laws as expressed in fine print in the upper left corner of any Federal Reserve Note. Try making any public economic transaction or exchange with another medium and see how long it takes for the hand of power to come down? No free market in the medium of exchange and both democrats/republicans liberal/conservative condone, worship, and praise this economic system that we have.</p><p></p><p>How effective would segregation have been on the African American population had there been no legal tender laws or medium of exchange monopoly if the African American community could have created their own medium of exchange and use their labor to earn it? True economic freedom negates the power of racism as it frees the individual's position from being controlled by others via the State and "DEMOCRACY" because he's able to convert his property (labor, a concept we've long forgotten) into a medium outside the control of others who mean him harm by serving their own self interests.</p><p></p><p>Pertaining to my improper used 2 adjectives I close by quoting the late Murray Rothbard in a piece entitled <a href="http://mises.org/story/3735" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">"Statism verses Capitalism"</span></a> circa 1972'</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And where are the democrats/republican, liberals/conservatives not in this mix?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 621770, member: 2189"] The answer is no and the proof is easy. How many people desire to purchase and smoke marijuana or even grow marijuana only for their own personal use within their own home and yet the state along with the consent of an alleged majority restrict that choice in the marketplace! Extreme? OK, sometime back in this forum we discussed cars as relates to fuel mileage and other alternatives and I think it was you who brought to light that VW builds a little 3 cylinder diesel (Lupo) that gets incredible mileage (70 mpg if I remember) and I think you even said that you'd love to have one. I even went out and looked the car up as I'd never heard of it until your mention and I had to agree with you too. Now we both desire this car obviously yet we are barred by gov't action from purchasing because it's not been approved for VW to sell in this country. We can go to Mexico and purchase one (or could, no longer made) as they are sold there but bringing it back here we must pay protection money (various taxes) to the mafia (Washington) and maybe some local gangs (state and local thuggery) in order to exercise our right to that "free" desire you spoke of. Would that be similar of Coolhand Luke asking Boss Paul in his desire to shake the bush? "Not today Boy!" And Luke was living the free life too? I guess that chain link and razor wire is a pickett fence too! There's the desire, here are a couple of customers in you and I and yet we are prohibited by Boss Godfrey (gov't mandate) from fulfilling our desires. Your point may have some limited truth but in a pure context, we do not have a truly free market and neither is the current healthcare system just as it's true that the proposed heathcare system won't be true free market either. Our healthcare system as it stands is in fact unsustainable and was already a rigged statist capitalist game. Notice I didn't say free market or laissez faire? It is broken and has been for most of the 20th century. Along that span, the gov't has from time to time like the good illusionist been able to manipulate the audience but the audience is catching on as the illusionist is running out of tricks. I fully expect one more rabbit to come out of the hat and really what all the fuss is about is whether the rabbit will be all blue or have patches of red in it just so some of the audience gets the feeling they are relevant in all this nonsense too. That's OK, all we're doing is taking our dirt out of Boss Keen's ditch but then we have to remove our dirt from Boss Paul's yard to remove it back again from Boss Keen's ditch but eventually we'll get our mind right and Captain can sit on a better front porch and better rocker and watch us work! No matter which side wins out in this thing, it's still putting lipstick on a pig and jagger's point is still true IMO. No argument that the proposed healthcare is not free market but then defending the current system is not defending free market either as the current system, to use the buzz word of the day, is socialist in itself at the behest and blessing of those who claim to oppose socialism. And I speak of [URL='http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/peak1.html'][COLOR=red]republican/conservatives [/COLOR][/URL][COLOR=black]who talk a big game now but when[/COLOR] someone else spoke of limited gov't a couple of years back on the big stage, ironic how they sounded then like the vocal opposition to the idea of limited gov't and the tea p[COLOR=black]arty types now. And these same people will still swear they voted for th[/COLOR]e right guy. I used the term statist capitalist above and besides the fact that I'm using 2 adjectives as a person/place/thing (poor grammactical construction guilty as charged) I don't call nor do I believe in a so-called capitialist system. Opps, I must be socialist then! Did you know that socialism is or can be free market too? Desire! Choice! It's only not free market when the desire of choice is compelled against the person's will by the use of force or fraud. Remember, all human action is market and involves some form of economic choice. You think about that for a moment. We have a capitalist system but the means of capitial are controlled by state sanctioned monolopy (federal reserve system) and granted protection by legal tender laws as expressed in fine print in the upper left corner of any Federal Reserve Note. Try making any public economic transaction or exchange with another medium and see how long it takes for the hand of power to come down? No free market in the medium of exchange and both democrats/republicans liberal/conservative condone, worship, and praise this economic system that we have. How effective would segregation have been on the African American population had there been no legal tender laws or medium of exchange monopoly if the African American community could have created their own medium of exchange and use their labor to earn it? True economic freedom negates the power of racism as it frees the individual's position from being controlled by others via the State and "DEMOCRACY" because he's able to convert his property (labor, a concept we've long forgotten) into a medium outside the control of others who mean him harm by serving their own self interests. Pertaining to my improper used 2 adjectives I close by quoting the late Murray Rothbard in a piece entitled [URL='http://mises.org/story/3735'][COLOR=red]"Statism verses Capitalism"[/COLOR][/URL] circa 1972' And where are the democrats/republican, liberals/conservatives not in this mix? [/QUOTE]
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