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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 625082" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Absolutely! Yes Sir get that free market in here where no person or industry can use compelling force and it'd put money in pockets alright. Unlike the current "PLANS" that are very specific at who will get the money and win at the end of the day, all with the aid of gov't!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/healthcare/la-na-healthcare-insurers24-2009aug24,0,6925890.story" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Healthcare Insurers Get Upper Hand</span></a></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ralph Nader @ Counterpunch: <a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/nader08182009.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Block Obama's Adject Surrender to Insurance and Drug Companies</span></a></p><p></p><p>I'll go you one further Klein and I'm hearing this from some hardcore left types who voted Obama but are loyal to their principles first. The whole bru-ha that the insurance companies were manipulating the process via the teaparties was a pure cover story to give cover to the Obama (Clinton Machine) adminstration and the industry who in truth were in bed with them all along from the get go! And you know what, they are dead on right. Now they want a single payer plan and nothing else where there are no insurance companies and although I won't go that far, I believe that in a true free market environment, the insurance companies as they are today along with the drug and big healthcare industry just wouldn't survive at all. They only do so now by gov't priviledge and the fact that via regulatory control there is no true free market where new players and innovation can enter the marketplace at will.</p><p></p><p>In fact, it's by gov't intervention in the first place that the insurance, drug and healthcare industries grew to be the monsters that they are. <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100325142539/http://modern-us-history.suite101.com/article.cfm/us_presidents_and_healthcare_reform" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">This piece</span> </a>is pretty good in simplicity in showing how the beast grew at the behest of intervention but I will say the author did fail IMO to mention George W. Bush's <span style="color: red">intervention</span> on behalf of socializing medicine (Klein, that's the complete opposite of FreeMarket in case you didn't know) but dig deeper into the truth and you'll find a corporate cartel that profitted even further. Ever heard of mercantilism? Look it up! fuedalism=mercantilism=corporatism, that's a little historical hint if it helps.</p><p></p><p>Go back before Teddy Roosevelt and <a href="http://www.ehow.com/facts_5107819_early-history-health-insurance-america.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">insurance </span></a>in many respects were on the order of non-profit co-ops or some other voluntary associations. In otherwords, they weren't corp. monsters dominating Washington and Wall Street. The models of insurance today were utter failures until the interventions in the marketplace of gov't in the <a href="http://www.ehow.com/facts_5405599_history-health-insurance-america.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">20th century</span></a>. It was only by intervention that the growth medium became present for them to even grow in the first place.</p><p></p><p>But since TR's time isn't it worth consideration of the absolute fact that as gov't intervention in all areas of health has grown, so has the balance sheets and quarterly profit statements of these monster "evil" corp. you are railing that I would assure profit. Put down the beer and study history a bit and you might realize just how conned we've been and it's been done by both political sides!</p><p></p><p>Excess profits to insurance companies? Seems to me the trends are clear that the more gov't intervenes on the so-called behalf of the public at large, the more those insurance profits grow! Now tell me, whose really the one stuffing those pockets full of money?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 625082, member: 2189"] Absolutely! Yes Sir get that free market in here where no person or industry can use compelling force and it'd put money in pockets alright. Unlike the current "PLANS" that are very specific at who will get the money and win at the end of the day, all with the aid of gov't! [URL='http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/healthcare/la-na-healthcare-insurers24-2009aug24,0,6925890.story'][COLOR=red]Healthcare Insurers Get Upper Hand[/COLOR][/URL] Ralph Nader @ Counterpunch: [URL='http://www.counterpunch.org/nader08182009.html'][COLOR=red]Block Obama's Adject Surrender to Insurance and Drug Companies[/COLOR][/URL] I'll go you one further Klein and I'm hearing this from some hardcore left types who voted Obama but are loyal to their principles first. The whole bru-ha that the insurance companies were manipulating the process via the teaparties was a pure cover story to give cover to the Obama (Clinton Machine) adminstration and the industry who in truth were in bed with them all along from the get go! And you know what, they are dead on right. Now they want a single payer plan and nothing else where there are no insurance companies and although I won't go that far, I believe that in a true free market environment, the insurance companies as they are today along with the drug and big healthcare industry just wouldn't survive at all. They only do so now by gov't priviledge and the fact that via regulatory control there is no true free market where new players and innovation can enter the marketplace at will. In fact, it's by gov't intervention in the first place that the insurance, drug and healthcare industries grew to be the monsters that they are. [URL='https://web.archive.org/web/20100325142539/http://modern-us-history.suite101.com/article.cfm/us_presidents_and_healthcare_reform'][COLOR=red]This piece[/COLOR] [/URL]is pretty good in simplicity in showing how the beast grew at the behest of intervention but I will say the author did fail IMO to mention George W. Bush's [COLOR=red]intervention[/COLOR] on behalf of socializing medicine (Klein, that's the complete opposite of FreeMarket in case you didn't know) but dig deeper into the truth and you'll find a corporate cartel that profitted even further. Ever heard of mercantilism? Look it up! fuedalism=mercantilism=corporatism, that's a little historical hint if it helps. Go back before Teddy Roosevelt and [URL='http://www.ehow.com/facts_5107819_early-history-health-insurance-america.html'][COLOR=red]insurance [/COLOR][/URL]in many respects were on the order of non-profit co-ops or some other voluntary associations. In otherwords, they weren't corp. monsters dominating Washington and Wall Street. The models of insurance today were utter failures until the interventions in the marketplace of gov't in the [URL='http://www.ehow.com/facts_5405599_history-health-insurance-america.html'][COLOR=red]20th century[/COLOR][/URL]. It was only by intervention that the growth medium became present for them to even grow in the first place. But since TR's time isn't it worth consideration of the absolute fact that as gov't intervention in all areas of health has grown, so has the balance sheets and quarterly profit statements of these monster "evil" corp. you are railing that I would assure profit. Put down the beer and study history a bit and you might realize just how conned we've been and it's been done by both political sides! Excess profits to insurance companies? Seems to me the trends are clear that the more gov't intervenes on the so-called behalf of the public at large, the more those insurance profits grow! Now tell me, whose really the one stuffing those pockets full of money? [/QUOTE]
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