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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 625161" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Klein,</p><p> </p><p>The very issues you spoke above as problems were created by a system of alliance between gov't and business. This is not free market, this is mercantilism or socialist capitalism if you will to the benefit of the narrow market players thus created by this corp/gov't alliance. The non-profit co-ops you spoke of were in fact a common way of confronting risk before the latter part of the 19th and especially the 20th century. Fratural organizations, religious organizations, even unions otherwise known earlier as guilds provided all sorts of relief in various conditions and also in areas of healthcare. Many communities for example had house or barn raising in the case of fires and this in turn brought the community closer together. But then, that kind of society would require workers to not be as available to work because they are acting as neighors so if the corp/state alliance step in to fill these so call holes, the corp. has their workers and the state derives more tax revenue and then when the state failsafe systems stop functioning because of self interested interventions, the system can be cut or the workers told to work harder to make up the shortfall but they are never told that it was the so-called wise leaders who were the ones that screwed it up in the first place. Then along came debt borrowing with fractional reserve banking and fiat currency and then the whole thing went haywire!</p><p> </p><p>However, in the 20th century ideal of "free markets" these true free market ideas of voluntary associations were seen as threat so gov't public policy including tax policy began to be shaped in such a way as to harm this natural volunteer and non profit free market approach (free market meaning you could volunteer to take part or decline, no one compelled) and as this system was by policy killed off, our current nightmare was left to fill the void.</p><p> </p><p>Our system is unsustainable, no arguement from me on that but why should I treat the healthcare industry and insurance like Brer Rabbit and throw them back into the briar patch?</p><p> </p><p>Maybe it comes down to how I see <a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/ostrowski/ostrowski92.1.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">liberty verses Utopianism</span></a>.</p><p> </p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/peaceful.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":peaceful:" title="Peaceful :peaceful:" data-shortname=":peaceful:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 625161, member: 2189"] Klein, The very issues you spoke above as problems were created by a system of alliance between gov't and business. This is not free market, this is mercantilism or socialist capitalism if you will to the benefit of the narrow market players thus created by this corp/gov't alliance. The non-profit co-ops you spoke of were in fact a common way of confronting risk before the latter part of the 19th and especially the 20th century. Fratural organizations, religious organizations, even unions otherwise known earlier as guilds provided all sorts of relief in various conditions and also in areas of healthcare. Many communities for example had house or barn raising in the case of fires and this in turn brought the community closer together. But then, that kind of society would require workers to not be as available to work because they are acting as neighors so if the corp/state alliance step in to fill these so call holes, the corp. has their workers and the state derives more tax revenue and then when the state failsafe systems stop functioning because of self interested interventions, the system can be cut or the workers told to work harder to make up the shortfall but they are never told that it was the so-called wise leaders who were the ones that screwed it up in the first place. Then along came debt borrowing with fractional reserve banking and fiat currency and then the whole thing went haywire! However, in the 20th century ideal of "free markets" these true free market ideas of voluntary associations were seen as threat so gov't public policy including tax policy began to be shaped in such a way as to harm this natural volunteer and non profit free market approach (free market meaning you could volunteer to take part or decline, no one compelled) and as this system was by policy killed off, our current nightmare was left to fill the void. Our system is unsustainable, no arguement from me on that but why should I treat the healthcare industry and insurance like Brer Rabbit and throw them back into the briar patch? Maybe it comes down to how I see [URL="http://www.lewrockwell.com/ostrowski/ostrowski92.1.html"][COLOR=red]liberty verses Utopianism[/COLOR][/URL]. :peaceful: [/QUOTE]
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