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<blockquote data-quote="klein" data-source="post: 702156" data-attributes="member: 23950">I suppose you want to believe him, (David Gratzer), who is well known in the US for making up misleading health statistics.He lost all his credibility long ago ! :&nbsp;Analysis Last week, we reported that Rudy Giuliani had used a false statistic in a radio ad in New Hampshire in which he claimed that the chance of surviving prostate cancer was only 44 percent in England and 82 percent in the U.S. We tracked that figure back to its source, Giuliani campaign adviser David Gratzer, who admitted to us that his numbers &quot;technically&quot; weren&#039;t survival rates at all. We reported that Gratzer had calculated his percentages from figures given in a report published in 2000 by two Johns Hopkins University researchers, and that both authors said Gratzer had drawn an erroneous conclusion. One of them told us that Gratzer&#039;s 44 percent figure was wrong, &quot;misleading&quot; and meaningless.&nbsp;You can find more, just by googling his name.&nbsp;You can think whatever you want about healthcare in other industrialized countries.But, I do urge you, to visit a beach, or places such as Mexico, Florida, Hawaii, Arizona, Bahamas, Vegas, and more, where Canadians and Europeans vacation, and socialize with them just a little.&nbsp;I had plenty of chats about healthcare while I was in FL, myself. It was mixed. However, I was once surprised, when an older Retireree was very much pro for Universal Coverage. Since he has it all now, (medicare), but, he thinks of the future and the costs, and see&#039;s this current system ain&#039;t working.Most other older people were against it.The younger ones, only wished they had national healthcare.&nbsp;Like i said, it was mixed, and depends to whom you talk to. (my aunt on medicare now, doesn&#039;t want it, my cousin wants it ).&nbsp;But, go out there, talk to Canadians in person. Only then will you get the real truth.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="klein, post: 702156, member: 23950"] I suppose you want to believe him, (David Gratzer), who is well known in the US for making up misleading health statistics. He lost all his credibility long ago ! : [B]Analysis[/B] Last week, we reported that Rudy Giuliani had used a false statistic in a radio ad in New Hampshire in which he claimed that the chance of surviving prostate cancer was only 44 percent in England and 82 percent in the U.S. We tracked that figure back to its source, Giuliani campaign adviser David Gratzer, who admitted to us that his numbers "technically" weren't survival rates at all. We reported that Gratzer had calculated his percentages from figures given in a report published in 2000 by two Johns Hopkins University researchers, and that both authors said Gratzer had drawn an erroneous conclusion. One of them told us that Gratzer's 44 percent figure was wrong, "misleading" and meaningless. You can find more, just by googling his name. You can think whatever you want about healthcare in other industrialized countries. But, I do urge you, to visit a beach, or places such as Mexico, Florida, Hawaii, Arizona, Bahamas, Vegas, and more, where Canadians and Europeans vacation, and socialize with them just a little. I had plenty of chats about healthcare while I was in FL, myself. It was mixed. However, I was once surprised, when an older Retireree was very much pro for Universal Coverage. Since he has it all now, (medicare), but, he thinks of the future and the costs, and see's this current system ain't working. Most other older people were against it. The younger ones, only wished they had national healthcare. Like i said, it was mixed, and depends to whom you talk to. (my aunt on medicare now, doesn't want it, my cousin wants it ). But, go out there, talk to Canadians in person. Only then will you get the real truth. [/QUOTE]

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