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<blockquote data-quote="BrownArmy" data-source="post: 1014725" data-attributes="member: 18225">Interesting non-scientific post regarding aluminum vs. steel vs. whatever you think you&#039;re talking about.How about this: If you want to talk about fuel standards, the amount our nation spends on fuel for inefficient vehicles is one of our largest costs.I&#039;m not a huge fan of Obama, but his legacy (whether he is reelected or not) may be that he increased the fuel efficiency standards for vehicles sold in the US. The largest fuel consumer in the US is the US military.The second largest fuel consumer in the US is the daily driving population.Brett, you call yourself a conservative:What&#039;s more conservative than pulling ourselves together as a nation (like we did in WW2) and forming a solution to the problem of our dependence on foreign oil?It&#039;s not enough to say, &quot;We&#039;re going to find a bunch of oil in Canada and in our own country, and that&#039;s why we&#039;re going to be energy independent!!!!&quot;See, we can stop pouring gas and oil on the ground (figuratively), and MAKE MORE EFFICIENT VEHICLES, REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF ENERGY WE USE, and work toward a future where our economy isn&#039;t based on the middle east. This isn&#039;t rocket science...I&#039;m surprised that you would be against American innovation in terms of greater fuel efficiency.How that actually happens is up for debate, but the need for it to happen is not.I was a mechanic before I worked for UPS...sweet 5lb diapered baby Jesus knows I love the sound of a well-tuned V-8 growling, but...We&#039;re not going to rebuild this country by refusing to adapt to the new realities on the ground.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BrownArmy, post: 1014725, member: 18225"] Interesting non-scientific post regarding aluminum vs. steel vs. whatever you think you're talking about. How about this: If you want to talk about fuel standards, the amount our nation spends on fuel for inefficient vehicles is one of our largest costs. I'm not a huge fan of Obama, but his legacy (whether he is reelected or not) may be that he [I]increased the fuel efficiency standards for vehicles[/I] sold in the US. The largest fuel consumer in the US is the US military. The second largest fuel consumer in the US is the daily driving population. Brett, you call yourself a conservative: What's more conservative than pulling ourselves together as a nation (like we did in WW2) and forming a solution to the problem of our dependence on foreign oil? It's not enough to say, "We're going to find a bunch of oil in Canada and in our own country, and that's why we're going to be energy independent!!!!" See, we can stop pouring gas and oil on the ground (figuratively), and MAKE MORE EFFICIENT VEHICLES, REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF ENERGY WE USE, and work toward a future where our economy isn't based on the middle east. This isn't rocket science...I'm surprised that you would be against American innovation in terms of greater fuel efficiency. How that actually happens is up for debate, but the need for it to happen is not. I was a mechanic before I worked for UPS...sweet 5lb diapered baby Jesus knows I love the sound of a well-tuned V-8 growling, but... We're not going to rebuild this country by refusing to adapt to the new realities on the ground. [/QUOTE]

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