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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 1030556" data-attributes="member: 2189">The fact is, clean water, education and food quality are already in the hands of market forces and were that way from day one.&nbsp; If you think otherwise, you should research the history of gov&#039;t operations in that area, ignore the feelgood rhetoric of politicians.&nbsp; Those very private market forces who wanted to starve out competition, most all of that small in scale, local and responsive to local quality of life, and at the least create monopolized/cartelized markets have succeeded is shifting all economic power to the top and regulatory capture to control it.&nbsp; The very thing of clean water, quality food and education beg to be localized and locally controlled.You mentioned the Eisenhower Interstate System and most people think he came up with the entire idea.&nbsp; In some respects he did but his influence was the German Autobahn model but there is more to this story.&nbsp; In 1953&#039;, Eisenhower appointed to Sec. of Defense, the current General Motors head <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway_System#Planning" target="_blank">Charles Erwin Wilson</a> and in 1955&#039; he helped map out what would become in 1956&#039; the Interstate Highway System under the Federal Aid Highway Act of 1956&#039;.&nbsp; With broad general train services between towns and cities, surely Wilson&#039;s interests would never benefit the bottom line of GM? And not stopping there, go back another decade or 2 and we have a man by the name of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Harris_MacDonald" target="_blank">Thomas McDonald </a>and the important role he played in what we now call the interstate highway system.&nbsp; I you think the idea was all new with Eisenhower, think again.&nbsp; And who was McDonald connected with and what interests would they have in such a highway endeavor? Surely all these private interests were all motivated by the highest of civic virtue! Then again, maybe you&#039;ve been &quot;Taken For A Ride&quot; like the rest of us.<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob2bYUtxlxs" target="_blank">Taken for a Ride (Full Length Documentary) - YouTube</a>The markets have always been rigged, the fallacy of statist is to accuse&nbsp; the latest &quot;market&quot; implosion as a result of un-regulation, that ole&#039;&nbsp; free market boogie man when just the opposite is true.&nbsp; The markets blew&nbsp; up because thanks to statism, markets were manipulated by the use of&nbsp; regulation and gov&#039;t capture.&nbsp; The current economic model is showing&nbsp; what many radical leftists, anarchists and market libertarians have&nbsp; concluded and that is capitalism can only exist with a state and the&nbsp; large scale state needs capitalism as it&#039;s economic engine.&nbsp; Kill either and you kill both.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 1030556, member: 2189"] The fact is, clean water, education and food quality are already in the hands of market forces and were that way from day one. If you think otherwise, you should research the history of gov't operations in that area, ignore the feelgood rhetoric of politicians. Those very private market forces who wanted to starve out competition, most all of that small in scale, local and responsive to local quality of life, and at the least create monopolized/cartelized markets have succeeded is shifting all economic power to the top and regulatory capture to control it. The very thing of clean water, quality food and education beg to be localized and locally controlled. You mentioned the Eisenhower Interstate System and most people think he came up with the entire idea. In some respects he did but his influence was the German Autobahn model but there is more to this story. In 1953', Eisenhower appointed to Sec. of Defense, the current General Motors head [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway_System#Planning'][COLOR=#ff0000]Charles Erwin Wilson[/COLOR][/URL] and in 1955' he helped map out what would become in 1956' the Interstate Highway System under the Federal Aid Highway Act of 1956'. With broad general train services between towns and cities, surely Wilson's interests would never benefit the bottom line of GM? And not stopping there, go back another decade or 2 and we have a man by the name of [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Harris_MacDonald'][COLOR=#ff0000]Thomas McDonald [/COLOR][/URL]and the important role he played in what we now call the interstate highway system. I you think the idea was all new with Eisenhower, think again. And who was McDonald connected with and what interests would they have in such a highway endeavor? Surely all these private interests were all motivated by the highest of civic virtue! Then again, maybe you've been "Taken For A Ride" like the rest of us. [URL='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob2bYUtxlxs']Taken for a Ride (Full Length Documentary) - YouTube[/URL] The markets have always been rigged, the fallacy of statist is to accuse the latest "market" implosion as a result of un-regulation, that ole' free market boogie man when just the opposite is true. The markets blew up because thanks to statism, markets were manipulated by the use of regulation and gov't capture. The current economic model is showing what many radical leftists, anarchists and market libertarians have concluded and that is capitalism can only exist with a state and the large scale state needs capitalism as it's economic engine. Kill either and you kill both. [/QUOTE]

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