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Message: <blockquote data-quote="wilberforce15" data-source="post: 5042498" data-attributes="member: 5053">There are no details that could possibly matter. That's the thing about responsibility. If you are holding a gun, whatever happens with it is your fault. Unless he can show the gun has some impossible flaw that makes it fire without a trigger pull, it's his fault. The trigger was pulled. That trigger pull killed someone. Case closed. There are no possible mitigating circumstances. It doesn't matter who told him anything. It doesn't matter whose job was to do what. Nothign matters. The one with the gun is ultimately responsible.</blockquote>