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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 1065553" data-attributes="member: 17969">Again, I LAUGH at the hysteria involving &quot;self defense&quot; with GUN owners...&nbsp; By the way, check out this M249 with a bi pod....<img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/PEO_M249_Para_ACOG.jpg/300px-PEO_M249_Para_ACOG.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" />You said &quot;No rational person would ever consider placing land mines on their&nbsp; property, even if it were legal to do so (which it is not.) Plenty of&nbsp; rational people have made the decision to keep a firearm available in their home&nbsp; for the purposes of self defense.&quot;&quot;Really?&nbsp; Define &quot;A RATIONAL PERSON&quot;...&nbsp; your definition and mine will SURELY be different.&nbsp; I say, ANYONE who wants to possess an AR15 with a drum mag is INSANE, but YOU would call them rational.A person who wants to &quot;imitate&quot; a military style weapon is OUT OF THERE MINDS.But then again, how do we define &quot;ARMS&quot; if we are to take the 2nd admendment literally?&nbsp; You say it says you have the right to bear arms ( I of course, say it does not, but thats an argument of a different color)But arent &quot;land mines&quot; ...arms?&nbsp; Isnt a Bazooka considered an &quot;ARM&quot;?&nbsp; &quot;ARMING&quot; oneself isnt &quot;DEFINED&quot; in our consitution, and if you agree that &quot;REGULATION&quot; needs to be in order to classify weapons, then I agree with you.Weapons need to be regulated along with the people who wish to POSSESS them.&nbsp; This county is full of nuts just a split second away from a mass shooting.&nbsp; All this talk about safety and yet, people use guns to kill their wives, children and co workers everyday in this country.Wheres the safety training?&nbsp; Did these people miss the class?It isnt about &quot;objects&quot; that i oppose, its the MINDSET.&nbsp; The one like &quot;YOURS&quot; for example that believes he needs to have one on him at all times because his &quot;life&quot; is soo rough, that he might get that &quot;shootout&quot; he&#039;s been looking for all his life.Maybe if you moved to west side of los angeles, I could agree with you, cause believe me, you would get that shootout, maybe just for driving too slow on the freeway.The &quot;object&quot; isnt the problem, its the person behind that &quot;object&quot; and the kind of life they lead.&nbsp; All the grandiose talk about why this weapon over that weapon for the home is nonsense.&nbsp; Stopping power this , stopping power that is simple Bully talk.Honestly, IMO, people who need guns are just merely scared, and probably scared of their own shadows.&nbsp; Something went wrong early on in life to set the mind into this kind of &quot;deep&quot; thought about guns.You want to protect your home, fine, buy a shotty or a pistol.&nbsp; Learn how to use it, keep it locked up and away from kids and the moment you lose your job, or your wife cheats on you, call the local authorities and ask them to REMOVE YOUR GUNS from your home until you work things out in your mind.Taking lessons from &quot;special forces&quot; guys wont help anyone in a panic.&nbsp; That takes courage, and you cant teach COURAGE.If you cant walk up to someone and punch him square in the mouth without worrying about it, then you wont be able to shoot a gun at a person.Its that simple.&nbsp; Brave talk is just that.&nbsp; TALK.PeaceTOS</blockquote>

[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 1065553, member: 17969"] Again, I LAUGH at the hysteria involving "self defense" with GUN owners... By the way, check out this M249 with a bi pod.... [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/PEO_M249_Para_ACOG.jpg/300px-PEO_M249_Para_ACOG.jpg[/IMG] You said "[I]No[/I] rational person would [I]ever[/I] consider placing land mines on their property, even if it were legal to do so (which it is not.) [I]Plenty[/I] of rational people have made the decision to keep a firearm available in their home for the purposes of self defense."" Really? Define "A RATIONAL PERSON"... your definition and mine will SURELY be different. I say, ANYONE who wants to possess an AR15 with a drum mag is INSANE, but YOU would call them rational. A person who wants to "imitate" a military style weapon is OUT OF THERE MINDS. But then again, how do we define "ARMS" if we are to take the 2nd admendment literally? You say it says you have the right to bear arms ( I of course, say it does not, but thats an argument of a different color) But arent "land mines" ...arms? Isnt a Bazooka considered an "ARM"? "ARMING" oneself isnt "DEFINED" in our consitution, and if you agree that "REGULATION" needs to be in order to classify weapons, then I agree with you. Weapons need to be regulated along with the people who wish to POSSESS them. This county is full of nuts just a split second away from a mass shooting. All this talk about safety and yet, people use guns to kill their wives, children and co workers everyday in this country. Wheres the safety training? Did these people miss the class? It isnt about "objects" that i oppose, its the MINDSET. The one like "YOURS" for example that believes he needs to have one on him at all times because his "life" is soo rough, that he might get that "shootout" he's been looking for all his life. Maybe if you moved to west side of los angeles, I could agree with you, cause believe me, you would get that shootout, maybe just for driving too slow on the freeway. The "object" isnt the problem, its the person behind that "object" and the kind of life they lead. All the grandiose talk about why this weapon over that weapon for the home is nonsense. Stopping power this , stopping power that is simple Bully talk. Honestly, IMO, people who need guns are just merely scared, and probably scared of their own shadows. Something went wrong early on in life to set the mind into this kind of "deep" thought about guns. You want to protect your home, fine, buy a shotty or a pistol. Learn how to use it, keep it locked up and away from kids and the moment you lose your job, or your wife cheats on you, call the local authorities and ask them to REMOVE YOUR GUNS from your home until you work things out in your mind. Taking lessons from "special forces" guys wont help anyone in a panic. That takes courage, and you cant teach COURAGE. If you cant walk up to someone and punch him square in the mouth without worrying about it, then you wont be able to shoot a gun at a person. Its that simple. Brave talk is just that. TALK. Peace TOS [/QUOTE]

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