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<blockquote data-quote="soberups" data-source="post: 1342748" data-attributes="member: 14668">I never said that all gun laws are unconstitutional.Philosophically, I would not necessarily have a problem with a higher initial barrier to gun ownership, in the form of licensing and training of gun owners...but I would then expect the &quot;other side&quot; to at least admit that their bans and restrictions and &quot;gun free&quot; zones haven&#039;t and wont work and that concealed carry by licensed and trained persons, including teachers, is part of the solution.Problem is, the &quot;other side&quot; consists of people like Michael Bloomberg, whose idea of &quot;common sense&quot; and &quot;reasonable&quot; consists of using the force of law to deny me the right to buy a 32 ounce cup of soda, and whose ultimate goal is the virtual disarmament of the American public through creeping incrementalism. I am not interested in negotiating for my rights with a hypocrite like that who hires armed security for himself while actively seeking to deny such rights to his subjects. I am not interested in negotiating for my rights with people who have never fired or handled a gun, who hate guns, and whose knowledge of firearms is limited to what they saw watching &quot;A-Team&quot; growing up.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="soberups, post: 1342748, member: 14668"] I never said that all gun laws are unconstitutional. Philosophically, I would not necessarily have a problem with a higher initial barrier to gun ownership, in the form of licensing and training of gun owners...but I would then expect the "other side" to at least admit that their bans and restrictions and "gun free" zones haven't and wont work and that concealed carry by licensed and trained persons, including teachers, is part of the solution. Problem is, the "other side" consists of people like Michael Bloomberg, whose idea of "common sense" and "reasonable" consists of using the force of law to deny me the right to buy a 32 ounce cup of soda, and whose ultimate goal is the virtual disarmament of the American public through creeping incrementalism. I am [B]not[/B] interested in negotiating for my rights with a hypocrite like that who hires armed security for himself while actively seeking to deny such rights to his subjects. I am [B]not[/B] interested in negotiating for my rights with people who have never fired or handled a gun, who hate guns, and whose knowledge of firearms is limited to what they saw watching "A-Team" growing up. [/QUOTE]

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