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<blockquote data-quote="soberups" data-source="post: 1353892" data-attributes="member: 14668">If you want to get gun owners on board with a solution then you need to start by acknowledging the fact that self defense is a fundamental human right, gun ownership is a constitutional right, and that taking guns away from the good guys isn&#039;t going to stop the bad guys. To me that is &quot;common sense&quot; and a &quot;reasonable&quot; place to begin the discussion. If your focus is strictly limited to reducing the number of bullets that a magazine can legally hold or to banning cosmetic features on scary-looking and inaccurately labeled &quot;assault rifles&quot; then I&#039;m not going to waste my time listening to anything else you might have to say.As far as solutions go, maybe we start our search by comparing our world today to the recent past where school shootings were unheard of and asking ourselves what has changed?&nbsp; Why weren&#039;t kids shooting up schools in the 50&#039;s and 60&#039;s? What are the differences between then and now? I happen to think that our problems are spiritual rather than legal in nature, and there aren&#039;t any quick fixes or easy, feel-good laws that will make those problems vanish.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="soberups, post: 1353892, member: 14668"] If you want to get gun owners on board with a solution then you need to start by acknowledging the fact that self defense is a fundamental human right, gun ownership is a constitutional right, and that taking guns away from the good guys isn't going to stop the bad guys. To me that is "common sense" and a "reasonable" place to begin the discussion. If your focus is strictly limited to reducing the number of bullets that a magazine can legally hold or to banning cosmetic features on scary-looking and inaccurately labeled "assault rifles" then I'm not going to waste my time listening to anything else you might have to say. As far as solutions go, maybe we start our search by comparing our world today to the recent past where school shootings were unheard of and asking ourselves what has changed? Why weren't kids shooting up schools in the 50's and 60's? What are the differences between then and now? I happen to think that our problems are spiritual rather than legal in nature, and there aren't any quick fixes or easy, feel-good laws that will make those problems vanish. [/QUOTE]

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