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<blockquote data-quote="vantexan" data-source="post: 2825096" data-attributes="member: 24302"><p>Let&#039;s put it this way...when a country is developing there are opportunities for everyone to do well as long as the country has installed rights and freedoms for individuals.&nbsp; When a country becomes, as Fred S puts it, a saturated economy, opportunities are limited, and capital leaves that country seeking areas where it can continue to grow.&nbsp; At that point, as has happened in Western Europe, and is starting to happen here, socialism becomes much more attractive in providing for it&#039;s population.&nbsp; Seems easier in smaller populations, larger ones like Germany have to have a strong business sector to pull it off.&nbsp; Socialism has never worked where it(and especially it&#039;s extreme version communism) has been forced on the population.&nbsp; It&#039;s growth in countries where it&#039;s semi successful has been gradual.&nbsp; Why do you think the Democrats created Obamacare?&nbsp; Controlling healthcare is controlling 20 percent of the economy.&nbsp; Control that and you eventually control everything.&nbsp; The problem with socialism is taking it too far, which is causing serious problems in southern Europe.&nbsp; So you have to decide, do you want a system where there are opportunities to achieve and be rewarded, or do you want a system where you don&#039;t do better or worse than most, and get by, while those in power do very well?&nbsp; That last part is sounding much more like the U.S. these days, but in Europe there&#039;s high unemployment in many countries, and people do a lot of hanging out.&nbsp; There no worker&#039;s paradise anywhere, some group is always benefiting at the expense of others.&nbsp; For average Joe&#039;s in expensive countries your best bet is create an income stream then live in cheaper countries.&nbsp; Or just exist.&nbsp; Your choice.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="vantexan, post: 2825096, member: 24302"] Let's put it this way...when a country is developing there are opportunities for everyone to do well as long as the country has installed rights and freedoms for individuals. When a country becomes, as Fred S puts it, a saturated economy, opportunities are limited, and capital leaves that country seeking areas where it can continue to grow. At that point, as has happened in Western Europe, and is starting to happen here, socialism becomes much more attractive in providing for it's population. Seems easier in smaller populations, larger ones like Germany have to have a strong business sector to pull it off. Socialism has never worked where it(and especially it's extreme version communism) has been forced on the population. It's growth in countries where it's semi successful has been gradual. Why do you think the Democrats created Obamacare? Controlling healthcare is controlling 20 percent of the economy. Control that and you eventually control everything. The problem with socialism is taking it too far, which is causing serious problems in southern Europe. So you have to decide, do you want a system where there are opportunities to achieve and be rewarded, or do you want a system where you don't do better or worse than most, and get by, while those in power do very well? That last part is sounding much more like the U.S. these days, but in Europe there's high unemployment in many countries, and people do a lot of hanging out. There no worker's paradise anywhere, some group is always benefiting at the expense of others. For average Joe's in expensive countries your best bet is create an income stream then live in cheaper countries. Or just exist. Your choice. [/QUOTE]

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