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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TGD" data-source="post: 471608" data-attributes="member: 19328">Rod, Where we come from everyone had a steel grain shovel for the loose stuff.  If you were really in it... you used farmer brown and his handy 4020(John Deere green).   Back when I was an on car, stuck was a road call against my mechanic, but not an accident.  My expedition yanked a lot of 500's back onto the road.  Carried custom wound ropes and 35,000 pound test chains with me.   P10's in town with warm tires also needed a little lovin' frequently.  When they would stop, the heat from the tires melted the snow.  This created ice and the back end would swing into the curb(dangerously close to mailboxes often).  Just a little bump or tug was all they needed, but if they kept trying to get out they could dig quite a hole to get out of.</blockquote>