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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 965606" data-attributes="member: 17969">Have you ever heard of EX POST FACTO?  Let me help you out here:ex post facto adj. Latin for "after the fact," which refers to laws adopted after an act is committed making it illegal although it was legal when done, or increases the penalty for a crime after it is committed. Such laws are specifically prohibited by the U. S. Constitution, Article I, Section 9. Therefore, if a state legislature or Congress enact new rules of proof or longer sentences, those new rules or sentences do not apply to crimes committed before the new law was adopted.****Now, how would you enact a new law that is already prohibited from being enacted by the constitution in the first place, and then go back in time and apply it to people who came before it?  You said " it's nothing but hyperbole rhetoric " and everything you said was simple hyperbole.   You are saying nothing but talking points.  You said "Instead of stopping states from enacting laws to compliment the federal laws, give them the teeth to enforce them"... this is the problem, the laws are poorly written and violate citizens civil rights.  You want to suggest that a blanket approach starting with the profiling of hispanics is the way to filter out illegals, but what you dont understand is that regular american citizens would be involved in the scrutiny. When you say "TEETH", how do you pay for this dental work???  States dont have the money to house, patrol, feed, prosecute and deport tens of millions of people.  This would require monetary assistance from the federal goverment and arent you one of those people who say goverment is broke?  You also said "As far as the kids born to illegal aliens in the US, IMO, they should not be considered as American citizens"  this is your OPINION not the law, so lets stick with the law and redefine your answer, they are CITIZENS and they AINT going NOWHERE.  So, again, my question is, how do you feed tens of millions of american children born to illegals when you are sending the breadwinners back to a foriegn country and placing them on the goverment dole?   It doesnt matter what the supreme court says or what changes to the constitution have to be made, it WONT affect the tens of millions of illegals in this country.  Thus, EX POST FACTO.Now, since you suggested the idea, I would like you to expand your thoughts for a second, and tell me how far back you would like to take this idea of minor children born in america to illegals?  10 years, 20 years,30 years,50 years, 100 years????  Or is your idea simply to apply it mexicans over lets say, the last 10 years?You still havent addressed the total cost of this deportion idea, the only thing you said was give it teeth.  What about a throat and stomach?   The USA will have to eat the cost of this idea in ways I am sure you havent even considered.  The reason???  It doesnt fit the talking points.Let me clue you in.Lets say we agree, and we let states write new laws that allow cops to stop whoever they want, violate their privacy and catch 10 million illegals.  Ok, Now lets say that they are arrested, processed, housed and shipped back to whatever country they came from.  First, in cost, that will cost close to a trillion dollars TRP.  Yes a trillion, there are 50 states to deal with.  That money has to come from somewhere.Second, what about the economic impact to our country?  If you take 10 million people out of our economic system, this country would go into a recession.  Indeed, they are illegal, but they have bank accounts, credit cards, auto loans, home loans and they purchase goods and services and pay sales taxes like the rest of us.  Now, you would suggest that taking this revenue out of the states would be good for the economy how??Car loans would default, home loans would default, credit cards would default, property managers would not collect rents, utilities would not get paid, banks would see a rash of withdrawals, and local stores would lose customers.  Now multiply that by millions.  What happens to the economy?You may not like it, but illegals spend money in this country, and walmart sure enjoys it.  Thats why they place as many stores in minority areas as possible.There is a financial impact to removing tens of millions of people.  Its not just the cost of deportation, but the cost to our economy that will punch a hole so DEEP the rest of us cant fill it.When I say you are merely using talking points, I say that because you cant address all the factors associated with illegals.  Yes, they came here illegally, yes some cause trouble, yes, they are multiplying faster than the rest of society, but heck, if they didnt have jobs, they wouldnt be here, and isnt THAT the real problem?In your solutions, you make no mention of the employers who cause this to happen in the first place.  There are no penalties in your world for employers.  There are no constitutional changes for that, nor are they any new laws you suggest to punish the very reason illegals exist in this country in the first place.Also, you want to end the influx of drugs into this country?  Well, how about getting your kids off drugs in the first place?  And when i say "your kids", I dont mean you personally, I mean all white kids, black kids, mexican kids, etc etc who are american citizens.The use of drugs is a joke in this country.  Since Nixon, we have had a war on drugs, it wasnt solved with nixon, carter, reagan, bush, clinton, bush, obama and as long as parents keep spawning new drug users, it will never end.  So far, since Nixon, we have spent 1 trillion dollars on the "WAR ON DRUGS"... do you see any improvement?You have to think alot further out of the box TRP.  There is alot more to consider than just new laws with teeth.  You have to also consider digesting the aftermath.peaceTOS4/24/12 8am</blockquote>

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