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<blockquote data-quote="zubenelgenubi" data-source="post: 4625428" data-attributes="member: 63706">But all systems do those things. Some systems are more stable than others. Socialism has proven, over and over, to be exceptionally unstable and generally requires excessively concentrated power (dictatorship) to keep from falling completely apart in short order. People who live in socialist systems, as long as they last, live in much worse conditions than those in capitalist systems. Falling standards of living in capitalist nations is an opinion that you could find some evidence to support, but I could counter by saying that most of the ways our standard of living has fallen is due to the disruptions caused by people pushing for socialism. Socialists blaming capitalism for the ills of the world is silly. It&#039;s like the arsonist, with a flamethrower strapped to his back, blaming the burning building for being flammable.As for which socialists I listen to, I don&#039;t think I consume information the same way you do. I&#039;m more interested in ideas than the personalities presenting them. If I come across a person who does a really good job of presenting ideas, and the ideas are actually good, I&#039;ll look into what other things they have to say. Once the good stuff runs out, I move on. There&#039;s too much out there to spend time on failed ideas.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="zubenelgenubi, post: 4625428, member: 63706"] But all systems do those things. Some systems are more stable than others. Socialism has proven, over and over, to be exceptionally unstable and generally requires excessively concentrated power (dictatorship) to keep from falling completely apart in short order. People who live in socialist systems, as long as they last, live in much worse conditions than those in capitalist systems. Falling standards of living in capitalist nations is an opinion that you [I]could[/I] find some evidence to support, but I could counter by saying that most of the ways our standard of living has fallen is due to the disruptions caused by people pushing for socialism. Socialists blaming capitalism for the ills of the world is silly. It's like the arsonist, with a flamethrower strapped to his back, blaming the burning building for being flammable. As for which socialists I listen to, I don't think I consume information the same way you do. I'm more interested in ideas than the personalities presenting them. If I come across a person who does a really good job of presenting ideas, and the ideas are actually good, I'll look into what other things they have to say. Once the good stuff runs out, I move on. There's too much out there to spend time on failed ideas. [/QUOTE]

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