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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 950118" data-attributes="member: 2189">Yeah Brown, I gotta back up Sober on this also.&nbsp; In some areas there might be some differences of opinion but in no way have I found him a blanket defender of the warfare state or of Israel itself.&nbsp; I like your gutsy attitude but your comments against Sober don&#039;t add up to what I&#039;ve seen from him.&nbsp;I personally reject the premise on which Israel came into existence as a political state but like any other person on the planet, any jew has the right of self ownership and self determination and yes, if they want to move and honestly acquire property in what we now know as Israel, I support them doing so.&nbsp; But I&#039;d also afford those same rights to the Arabs who have lived in those lands for centuries as well.&nbsp; Just as there have been <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Jews#Overview" target="_blank">jews living in Palestine for centuries as well</a>.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 950118, member: 2189"] Yeah Brown, I gotta back up Sober on this also. In some areas there might be some differences of opinion but in no way have I found him a blanket defender of the warfare state or of Israel itself. I like your gutsy attitude but your comments against Sober don't add up to what I've seen from him. I personally reject the premise on which Israel came into existence as a political state but like any other person on the planet, any jew has the right of self ownership and self determination and yes, if they want to move and honestly acquire property in what we now know as Israel, I support them doing so. But I'd also afford those same rights to the Arabs who have lived in those lands for centuries as well. Just as there have been [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Jews#Overview"][COLOR=#ff0000]jews living in Palestine for centuries as well[/COLOR][/URL]. [/QUOTE]

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