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<blockquote data-quote="Jones" data-source="post: 812945" data-attributes="member: 4805">That&#039;s a distinction without a difference. The members are the union, and they elect their leadership.I don&#039;t know where you got all that. The Wisconsin teacher&#039;s union (WEAC) was founded in 1853. The American Federation of Teachers (an AFL-CIO affiliate)was founded in 1916. In both cases they were founded by their own members, not politicians looking for money. Regardless of why you think they unionized, any class of workers has a basic right to organize and bargain collectively for their labor.Union members can&#039;t (and don&#039;t) &quot;elect their own bosses&quot;, the fact that Rick Walker is their elected boss should make that point obvious. The comparison to Scott Davis would only be valid if everyone else in the USA got to vote for the leader of UPS as well, in which case the worker&#039;s vote would just be one drop in a very large bucket, which is a lot closer to the reality of the public union member&#039;s vote in the Wisconsin election. And even then unions don&#039;t vote as a block, they vote as individuals just like everyone else.No, that wouldn&#039;t make it ok with me, but so what? As has already been pointed out numerous times, the unions have already stated their willingness to accept all the economic provisions in this bill. It&#039;s not the unions who are being unreasonable about this.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jones, post: 812945, member: 4805"] That's a distinction without a difference. The members are the union, and they elect their leadership. I don't know where you got all that. The Wisconsin teacher's union (WEAC) was founded in 1853. The American Federation of Teachers (an AFL-CIO affiliate)was founded in 1916. In both cases they were founded by their own members, not politicians looking for money. Regardless of why you[I] think[/I] they unionized, any class of workers has a basic right to organize and bargain collectively for their labor. Union members can't (and don't) "elect their own bosses", the fact that Rick Walker is their elected boss should make that point obvious. The comparison to Scott Davis would only be valid if everyone else in the USA got to vote for the leader of UPS as well, in which case the worker's vote would just be one drop in a very large bucket, which is a lot closer to the reality of the public union member's vote in the Wisconsin election. And even then unions don't vote as a block, they vote as individuals just like everyone else. No, that wouldn't make it ok with me, but so what? As has already been pointed out numerous times, the unions have already stated their willingness to accept all the economic provisions in this bill. It's not the unions who are being unreasonable about this. [/QUOTE]

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