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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 1411682" data-attributes="member: 2189">Now you are moving the goalposts.&nbsp; Your previous post to my response in question was this.You questioned my sources so there they are.&nbsp; A few of them anyway.&nbsp; You made a judgmental observation of the people I know as to whether they are even christian in the first place of which I thus responded.&nbsp;&nbsp; Seems to me you are arguing from ignorance again as you know none of these people.On Christmas Eve I work till the early to mid evening hours and on my way home I pass a number of Churches.&nbsp; Most are dark and empty but a couple are open holding services.&nbsp; On Sundays these places of worship often overflow with people and yet on such an important evening, they sit empty.&nbsp; As I make my way home passing countless homes, so many are adorn with festive decorations and more than a few have overflowed driveways with cars.&nbsp; Through the windows as I pass, it&#039;s a Norman Rockwell moment as the sight of people in celebration with one another.&nbsp; These people are not at the local church but I make no judgement of them not being christian.&nbsp; Most are on some level but yet most of the churches sit empty and dark.&nbsp; Now with such evidence at hand, what would you have me think?Maybe these christians and churches follow the example of the gospel of Mark which makes no mention at all of any birth story or even of Jesus childhood.&nbsp; Wonder why that is?BTW: Do you have to be a christian to read the bible?&nbsp; Of the many translations I own, and I own a number of them, not once at the bookstore, several were christian bookstores (one even at a church) was I ever asked if I was a christian before they gladly sold me the book.&nbsp; Same is true of the many other various religious texts I&#039;ve bought over the years.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 1411682, member: 2189"] Now you are moving the goalposts. Your previous post to my response in question was this. You questioned my sources so there they are. A few of them anyway. You made a judgmental observation of the people I know as to whether they are even christian in the first place of which I thus responded. Seems to me you are arguing from ignorance again as you know none of these people. On Christmas Eve I work till the early to mid evening hours and on my way home I pass a number of Churches. Most are dark and empty but a couple are open holding services. On Sundays these places of worship often overflow with people and yet on such an important evening, they sit empty. As I make my way home passing countless homes, so many are adorn with festive decorations and more than a few have overflowed driveways with cars. Through the windows as I pass, it's a Norman Rockwell moment as the sight of people in celebration with one another. These people are not at the local church but I make no judgement of them not being christian. Most are on some level but yet most of the churches sit empty and dark. Now with such evidence at hand, what would you have me think? Maybe these christians and churches follow the example of the gospel of Mark which makes no mention at all of any birth story or even of Jesus childhood. Wonder why that is? BTW: Do you have to be a christian to read the bible? Of the many translations I own, and I own a number of them, not once at the bookstore, several were christian bookstores (one even at a church) was I ever asked if I was a christian before they gladly sold me the book. Same is true of the many other various religious texts I've bought over the years. [/QUOTE]

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