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<blockquote data-quote="anotherdayinparadise" data-source="post: 585773" data-attributes="member: 24589">{one-time disclaimer for my first-time posting:&nbsp; everything I post is strictly my opinion unless I back it with a web-site reference or the like.&nbsp; I am not an expert in global econimics, world economy, polictics &amp; government, or spelling.&nbsp; I&#039;m a simple person doing my best at my job for a company I hope will flourish]&nbsp;Many, many things said here I&#039;d have to agree with.&nbsp; This didn&#039;t happen at UPSIS because of anything UPS did ~ you can likely blame is on government, greed, and trying keeping the stock market &quot;experts&quot; happy.&nbsp; Even though stock owners did pretty well when we went public, I was not happy with that decision due to the whimsical nature of the market.&nbsp; Since I started in IS it seemed to be a larger IT organization than others I knew of, and have learned over the years that is because they tried to keep/protect it&#039;s people.&nbsp; It problably would have been better to not create bogus employment-preserving positions, not to hide LE&#039;s in not-so accurate QPR&#039;s, etc.&nbsp; Have you looked at the IS org charts and seen how many mgrs have less thab 5 worker-bees under them? It is very nice that people were spared over the years, but it&#039;s caught up with us.&nbsp; And I know there are definitely people who essentially have very little to do and are really just seat-warmers.&nbsp; Now, in regards to who&#039;s being released, and how it&#039;s happening, I&#039;m quite ashamed that this world-wide, world-class company which claims to love it&#039;s people showed absolutely no respect for them.&nbsp; Many ISers have gone thru layoffs before in much more dignified ways than this is being done.&nbsp; Also, they manner in which it&#039;s done seems to be different from sysmgr to sysmgr ~ but i guess tha&#039;s the typical UPS &quot;manager&#039;s discretion&quot; policy.&nbsp;It is really sad to see and hear about fellow UPSers leaving, and my prayers are with you.&nbsp; &nbsp;In regards to IBM/Accenture, does anyone know how they are doing, like if they are worth what we are paying them to do, like should we have done this instead of just keeping the people we let go?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="anotherdayinparadise, post: 585773, member: 24589"] {one-time disclaimer for my first-time posting: everything I post is strictly my opinion unless I back it with a web-site reference or the like. I am not an expert in global econimics, world economy, polictics & government, or spelling. I'm a simple person doing my best at my job for a company I hope will flourish] Many, many things said here I'd have to agree with. This didn't happen at UPSIS because of anything UPS did ~ you can likely blame is on government, greed, and trying keeping the stock market "experts" happy. Even though stock owners did pretty well when we went public, I was not happy with that decision due to the whimsical nature of the market. Since I started in IS it seemed to be a larger IT organization than others I knew of, and have learned over the years that is because they tried to keep/protect it's people. It problably would have been better to not create bogus employment-preserving positions, not to hide LE's in not-so accurate QPR's, etc. Have you looked at the IS org charts and seen how many mgrs have less thab 5 worker-bees under them? It is very nice that people were spared over the years, but it's caught up with us. And I know there are definitely people who essentially have very little to do and are really just seat-warmers. Now, in regards to who's being released, and how it's happening, I'm quite ashamed that this world-wide, world-class company which claims to love it's people showed absolutely no respect for them. Many ISers have gone thru layoffs before in much more dignified ways than this is being done. Also, they manner in which it's done seems to be different from sysmgr to sysmgr ~ but i guess tha's the typical UPS "manager's discretion" policy. It is really sad to see and hear about fellow UPSers leaving, and my prayers are with you. In regards to IBM/Accenture, does anyone know how they are doing, like if they are worth what we are paying them to do, like should we have done this instead of just keeping the people we let go? [/QUOTE]

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