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<blockquote data-quote="spritskr" data-source="post: 587094" data-attributes="member: 1802"><p>First off, if you are made an LE, your manager is obligated to tell you. After that they have to do write-ups, and meetings, and at some point HR will call you in to ask if that person is still considered an LE or should be taken off. They will also call in the LE to see if they are making progress. </p><p>People are made LE's because they are low performers in that department (they could be high performers in another department). If someone is told out of the blue that they are an LE then shame on the manager, and shame on HR for not calling the manager out on it. I know one person that was made an LE by another manager, without being warned or coached, and HR backed him up, and the manager was forced to redesignate the person to ME. The manager was mad, but he had no choice. Yes, the person who was redeignated from LE to ME is still with us. </p><p> Also, most of what predicates your standing in the organization is the ranking / rating system. Where you are ranked / rated against people that do totally different jobs than you at your level; these people are in the same department as you are in most cases, and you are rated by managers who have no idea who the person they are rating is, other then heresay in a good number of cases. </p><p> Also, some people that were let go (or transitioned out of UPS - which seems to be the new buzzphrase), were not LE's. Some were close to retirement, some should have retired awhile ago, and some were LE's. There were a few that were let go, that did not fit that mold but fit into some HR algorithm along the way. </p><p>As for the IBM / Accenture deal, the support is atrocious, and we will be rolling in IBM equipment like there is no tomorrow. Especially, since they are considered a strategic partner of ours, no matter what havoc they wreak, and how inferior their equipment and support is. </p><p>These layoffs were predicted when we went public, my understanding is that UPS never had layoffs when we were a private company.</p><p>We had calls from India demanding things (I will not say), and they were informed of the proper channels to go thru, and they had no clue what we were talking about. Support calls with them are atrocious, and it is going to be interesting to see what is developed in India, and rolled out in the United States.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="spritskr, post: 587094, member: 1802"] First off, if you are made an LE, your manager is obligated to tell you. After that they have to do write-ups, and meetings, and at some point HR will call you in to ask if that person is still considered an LE or should be taken off. They will also call in the LE to see if they are making progress. People are made LE's because they are low performers in that department (they could be high performers in another department). If someone is told out of the blue that they are an LE then shame on the manager, and shame on HR for not calling the manager out on it. I know one person that was made an LE by another manager, without being warned or coached, and HR backed him up, and the manager was forced to redesignate the person to ME. The manager was mad, but he had no choice. Yes, the person who was redeignated from LE to ME is still with us. Also, most of what predicates your standing in the organization is the ranking / rating system. Where you are ranked / rated against people that do totally different jobs than you at your level; these people are in the same department as you are in most cases, and you are rated by managers who have no idea who the person they are rating is, other then heresay in a good number of cases. Also, some people that were let go (or transitioned out of UPS - which seems to be the new buzzphrase), were not LE's. Some were close to retirement, some should have retired awhile ago, and some were LE's. There were a few that were let go, that did not fit that mold but fit into some HR algorithm along the way. As for the IBM / Accenture deal, the support is atrocious, and we will be rolling in IBM equipment like there is no tomorrow. Especially, since they are considered a strategic partner of ours, no matter what havoc they wreak, and how inferior their equipment and support is. These layoffs were predicted when we went public, my understanding is that UPS never had layoffs when we were a private company. We had calls from India demanding things (I will not say), and they were informed of the proper channels to go thru, and they had no clue what we were talking about. Support calls with them are atrocious, and it is going to be interesting to see what is developed in India, and rolled out in the United States. [/QUOTE]
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