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<blockquote data-quote="zubenelgenubi" data-source="post: 5314605" data-attributes="member: 63706"><p>What do you mean? I&#039;m finding a way to avoid calling liberals liars. I&#039;d say when it comes down to it, most people are fairly honest. That doesn&#039;t mean they aren&#039;t wrong. If you are talking about &quot;conservative&quot; politicians, that&#039;s an entirely different issue. I don&#039;t really look at politicians as conservative or liberal, and least not in any sense that matters much at all. With politicians you have insiders and outsiders. Outsiders aren&#039;t always good or honest, but you can tell how much they threaten to upset the insiders&#039; apple cart by how they get treated. The ones who get attacked the hardest are the enemy of my enemy, making them my friend until proven otherwise. I&#039;m open to the possibility that all politicians are either insiders or controlled opposition. Past a certain point it gets to be difficult to figure out what&#039;s really going on.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="zubenelgenubi, post: 5314605, member: 63706"] What do you mean? I'm finding a way to avoid calling liberals liars. I'd say when it comes down to it, most people are fairly honest. That doesn't mean they aren't wrong. If you are talking about "conservative" politicians, that's an entirely different issue. I don't really look at politicians as conservative or liberal, and least not in any sense that matters much at all. With politicians you have insiders and outsiders. Outsiders aren't always good or honest, but you can tell how much they threaten to upset the insiders' apple cart by how they get treated. The ones who get attacked the hardest are the enemy of my enemy, making them my friend until proven otherwise. I'm open to the possibility that all politicians are either insiders or controlled opposition. Past a certain point it gets to be difficult to figure out what's really going on. [/QUOTE]

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