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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 1334985" data-attributes="member: 17969"><p>HUH?</p><p></p><p>Do you live on another planet? Have you missed the last 40 years of economic collapse of the United States?</p><p></p><p>"Some say"? really, youre going to use the FOX news approach to explanations?</p><p></p><p>Lets be real. NAFTA did wipe out worker wages in this country. Thats a conclusion, not a possibility. Middle class blue collar jobs left this country when NAFTA was passed, and they continue to leave the country.</p><p></p><p>Those jobs, while overseas are no longer "good paying" jobs because they were all outsourced to third world countries.</p><p></p><p>I just love how you run with this however: "But how does the US compete globally? Higher corporate taxes?"</p><p></p><p>How about "WE" dont compete at all and keep all the jobs here in the states so we dont have to LOWER wages to compete with burma, or indochina?</p><p></p><p>You say we have "subpar" growth right now, but heres the key bub, WE HAVE GROWTH, unlike the bush administration where we had SHRINKAGE and eventually, a near depression.</p><p></p><p>One of the falacies of the right wing talking points, is the comparision to "other" recessions. All this talk about the great depression and job growth afterwards, then the reagan recession and the job growth afterwards, but it isnt the same circumstances anymore.</p><p></p><p>After the great depression, we built roads, cities, airports, towns, neighborhoods, cars, furniture, clothes, books, infrastructures and such and there were plenty of jobs to go around, so growth could range near 5% of GDP.</p><p></p><p>Today, we build nothing. Heck, most of you right wingers wanted to see all our american car companies fail. One of the last things we actually build in this country and you all would rather see them fail then rescued.</p><p></p><p>But the fact remains, from clothes to electronics, everything in this country is made overseas and NONE of you give a crap. As if that doesnt hurt this country or the middle class worker.</p><p></p><p>All that matters to people is the cost at the register. People dont care if the shoes they buy were made by a 12 year old chinese child, its all about the price.</p><p></p><p>Middle class jobs mr 1989 start in the manufacturing sector, but we dont have a manufacturing sector, where would you suggest middle class jobs start?</p><p></p><p>This country is littered with "service industry" jobs that pay the lowest wages of all jobs. We cant outsource those jobs but we can filled those low paying jobs with immigrants who wont complain about the wages because the countries they come from pay even less.</p><p></p><p>Lets take mexico, NAFTA has taken most of our manufacturing jobs from refrigerators to cars, clothes and electronics.</p><p></p><p>43% of all the jobs in mexico are provded by AMERICAN CORPORATIONS. Of those 43%, the average yearly wage is $3700.00. Thats roughly 72 dollars a week and mexicans pay a 3% tax on that 72 bucks. If you divide that 72 bucks by 5 you get $14.40 a day.</p><p></p><p>These jobs used to pay good union wages to americans and now, they pay peanuts and yet, you say "how can we compete with the global economy"..</p><p></p><p>Of course, I know, its just stupid slogan you are repeating because you dont have the first clue about wages in other countries, but understand that america will continue to suffer as long as its ships its jobs overseas to maximize profits and put americans out of work.</p><p></p><p>Now, I dont know a single american who would work for $14.40 a day for a 10 hour shift, but maybe you do. That would equate to $1.44 an hour.</p><p></p><p>Maybe this is the "new" america you are hoping for? Bringing america to its knees by creating third world wages so corporations can rake in huge profits.</p><p></p><p>President Obama has attempted to create new industries for the future, and those companies are creating tomorrows middle class manufacturing jobs. Tens of thousands of solar industry jobs are being created every month in this country.</p><p></p><p>New alternative energy jobs are also being created, but the petroleum industry is fighting hard to keep people like you on their side by trying to turn you off to alternative energy.</p><p></p><p>But the reality is, creating a new manufacturing sector regardless of what we are making is the key to economic recovery.</p><p></p><p>You seem to prefer the right wing talking points of protecting the corporations by allowing them access to foreign access to slave labor.</p><p></p><p>I DONT.</p><p></p><p>TOS.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 1334985, member: 17969"] HUH? Do you live on another planet? Have you missed the last 40 years of economic collapse of the United States? "Some say"? really, youre going to use the FOX news approach to explanations? Lets be real. NAFTA did wipe out worker wages in this country. Thats a conclusion, not a possibility. Middle class blue collar jobs left this country when NAFTA was passed, and they continue to leave the country. Those jobs, while overseas are no longer "good paying" jobs because they were all outsourced to third world countries. I just love how you run with this however: "But how does the US compete globally? Higher corporate taxes?" How about "WE" dont compete at all and keep all the jobs here in the states so we dont have to LOWER wages to compete with burma, or indochina? You say we have "subpar" growth right now, but heres the key bub, WE HAVE GROWTH, unlike the bush administration where we had SHRINKAGE and eventually, a near depression. One of the falacies of the right wing talking points, is the comparision to "other" recessions. All this talk about the great depression and job growth afterwards, then the reagan recession and the job growth afterwards, but it isnt the same circumstances anymore. After the great depression, we built roads, cities, airports, towns, neighborhoods, cars, furniture, clothes, books, infrastructures and such and there were plenty of jobs to go around, so growth could range near 5% of GDP. Today, we build nothing. Heck, most of you right wingers wanted to see all our american car companies fail. One of the last things we actually build in this country and you all would rather see them fail then rescued. But the fact remains, from clothes to electronics, everything in this country is made overseas and NONE of you give a crap. As if that doesnt hurt this country or the middle class worker. All that matters to people is the cost at the register. People dont care if the shoes they buy were made by a 12 year old chinese child, its all about the price. Middle class jobs mr 1989 start in the manufacturing sector, but we dont have a manufacturing sector, where would you suggest middle class jobs start? This country is littered with "service industry" jobs that pay the lowest wages of all jobs. We cant outsource those jobs but we can filled those low paying jobs with immigrants who wont complain about the wages because the countries they come from pay even less. Lets take mexico, NAFTA has taken most of our manufacturing jobs from refrigerators to cars, clothes and electronics. 43% of all the jobs in mexico are provded by AMERICAN CORPORATIONS. Of those 43%, the average yearly wage is $3700.00. Thats roughly 72 dollars a week and mexicans pay a 3% tax on that 72 bucks. If you divide that 72 bucks by 5 you get $14.40 a day. These jobs used to pay good union wages to americans and now, they pay peanuts and yet, you say "how can we compete with the global economy".. Of course, I know, its just stupid slogan you are repeating because you dont have the first clue about wages in other countries, but understand that america will continue to suffer as long as its ships its jobs overseas to maximize profits and put americans out of work. Now, I dont know a single american who would work for $14.40 a day for a 10 hour shift, but maybe you do. That would equate to $1.44 an hour. Maybe this is the "new" america you are hoping for? Bringing america to its knees by creating third world wages so corporations can rake in huge profits. President Obama has attempted to create new industries for the future, and those companies are creating tomorrows middle class manufacturing jobs. Tens of thousands of solar industry jobs are being created every month in this country. New alternative energy jobs are also being created, but the petroleum industry is fighting hard to keep people like you on their side by trying to turn you off to alternative energy. But the reality is, creating a new manufacturing sector regardless of what we are making is the key to economic recovery. You seem to prefer the right wing talking points of protecting the corporations by allowing them access to foreign access to slave labor. I DONT. TOS. [/QUOTE]
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