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<blockquote data-quote="vantexan" data-source="post: 5619116" data-attributes="member: 24302">You really have to give examples.&nbsp; Are you talking about being refused service on the basis of religious belief?&nbsp; How often does that happen to you?&nbsp;&nbsp; Is that what you were alluding to earlier?&nbsp; That a religious guy who thinks women are beneath him but can&#039;t refuse them service but can refuse gays?&nbsp; Who believes women are beneath them based on their religion and they&#039;re having to serve women anyways?&nbsp; That doesn&#039;t make sense.&nbsp; Religious beliefs are a civil right.&nbsp; If a business owner doesn&#039;t want to make a cake for a gay wedding because of his beliefs he has just as much right to his beliefs as you do to yours.&nbsp; Yours doesn&#039;t get to supersede his.&nbsp; The comparison to women isn&#039;t a valid analogy.&nbsp; Apples and oranges.&nbsp; Since you can&#039;t force him to go against his beliefs you have to seek a workaround.&nbsp; Which in this case would be to go to a baker who has no issue with making you a cake.&nbsp; There, the world didn&#039;t end.&nbsp; What ends up happening in these cases is such a stink is raised about not being served that the religious baker is forced to close.&nbsp; Which very much looks like the gay community is going to either get their way by forcing others to violate their conscience or they are going to ruin others.&nbsp; You want special rights, and you want them codified.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="vantexan, post: 5619116, member: 24302"] You really have to give examples. Are you talking about being refused service on the basis of religious belief? How often does that happen to you? Is that what you were alluding to earlier? That a religious guy who thinks women are beneath him but can't refuse them service but can refuse gays? Who believes women are beneath them based on their religion and they're having to serve women anyways? That doesn't make sense. Religious beliefs are a civil right. If a business owner doesn't want to make a cake for a gay wedding because of his beliefs he has just as much right to his beliefs as you do to yours. Yours doesn't get to supersede his. The comparison to women isn't a valid analogy. Apples and oranges. Since you can't force him to go against his beliefs you have to seek a workaround. Which in this case would be to go to a baker who has no issue with making you a cake. There, the world didn't end. What ends up happening in these cases is such a stink is raised about not being served that the religious baker is forced to close. Which very much looks like the gay community is going to either get their way by forcing others to violate their conscience or they are going to ruin others. You want special rights, and you want them codified. [/QUOTE]

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